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Rob
28th May 2007, 11:49 PM
1984 Giancarlo Varini - Gargallo di Campi, Italy

Here is another misguided fellow countryman of mine who claims to receive messages from Mary. This apparition is quite likely FALSE.

http://www.mammadellapace.it/index.htm

Unfortunately the messages are only in italian but I'll try to give you a general feeling:

-The words are repetitive, long, many pauses between words, they don't seem to come from Mary:
- Often at the end of messages "Mary" blesses many people:

Benedico, figli miei, ... voi.
Benedico le vostre intenzioni di preghiera.
Benedico le anime consacrate, ... vescovi, ... sacerdoti, ... missionari.
Benedico i volontari.
Benedico i medici.
Benedico quei laici che sanno farsi carità, ... che sanno farsi Eucaristia per i loro fratelli.
Pensateci !
Meditatelo !
La Mamma non vi dice eresie, figli miei: ... anche voi ... fatevi Eucaristia per i vostri fratelli.
Benedico quei laici che si adoperano per i fratelli sofferenti, ... ammalati, ... tossicodipendenti, ... ammalati di AIDS, ... ex carcerati, ... abbandonati.
Benedico tutti coloro che sanno aiutare, ... soccorrere, ... portare il sorriso nelle umane fragilità ... nei dolori, ... che sanno lenire le piaghe, ... che sanno portare sempre il mio sorriso ai fratelli.
Benedico gli strumenti religiosi, ... gli strumenti di pietà.
Benedico i bimbi, ... i giovani.


I bless, my children, yourself
I bless your prayer intentions
I bless consecrated souls,...bishops,....priests,....missionaries.
I bless volunteers
I bless doctors
I bless those lay people who help themselves, those who receive eucharist on behalf of others
Think about it!
Meditate upon it!
I bless all those who are able to help others...those who bring smiles to the sick...
I bless religous items...children...young people


Now this sounds even more funny:

Benedico ... tutto ciò che desiderate Io abbia a benedire, figli miei: ... acqua, ... sale, ... incenso, ... olio.

I bless...everything you want me to bless, my children:...water,...salt....incense,...oil.

Does this sound like Mary speaking? Would she end a message by blessing oil, water, incense...what is the reason for that?



And of course one cannot miss the claim that Jesus will come back soon, as it happens for almost every false revelation:


lo spirito deve essere in attività, ... in continuo contatto con quel Dio che sta tornando sulla terra ... e quando tornerà ... !
Figli miei, ... si fa sempre più vicino il tempo.
E ... quando tornerà ... voi siate pronti ad accoglierlo ... con la vostra umiltà, ... con la vostra semplicità, ... la vostra serenità.
Pronti ... con la vostra fiaccola nelle mani come le vergini.
Pronti ... per dire:
"E’ arrivato lo Sposo.
Glorifichiamo Iddio.
Alleluja !
Alleluja !
Alleluja !".

the spirit must be active...always in contact with God, wh is coming on earth...and when he will come back...!
My children,....the time is drawing closer.
And...when he will come back..be ready to welcome him...with your humility,...your meekness,...your serenity. Ready..with the lamp on your hands like the virgins.
Ready...to say:
"The bridegroom has arrived.
Let's glorify God.
Alleluja!
Alleluja!

Ron Conte
29th May 2007, 01:10 AM
I'd like a bit more before I add this one to the list.
Can you translate this for me:

Ma sarà un anno ... tappa importante di avvicinamento ... ormai prossimo al ritorno di Cristo Gesù.

There also seems to be a lot of worldly language. You're right it has a lot of needless repetition.

Also, what does this say:

E ... chiedete anche che il Signore Gesù ... Lui ... Lui esattamente ... o attraverso di Me, ... Sua Madre, ... o attraverso i Santi, ... vi faccia vivere l’intimità Sua.
Vedete, figli miei, ... i teologi faticano a comprendere le realtà e i fatti mistici.
Forse non è permesso ... a Dio ... di poter parlare alle anime direttamente ... ?
O attraverso la Madre Sua e Madre vostra ... ?
O attraverso i Santi ... ?
Forse non è permesso ... a Dio ... di svelare la propria intimità ... a chi è disponibile ad accogliere l’intimità, ... a chi è disponibile a cambiare vita, ... a chi è disponibile a migliorare ... ad impegnarsi nel cammino della santità?

This does seem false to me.

Rob
29th May 2007, 01:27 AM
Can you translate this for me:

Ma sarà un anno ... tappa importante di avvicinamento ... ormai prossimo al ritorno di Cristo Gesù.

[It will be one year...an important closing target...close to the coming of Jesus Christ]

Basically one year is left to the coming of Jesus- the words are not connected, wordly language.



Also, what does this say:

E ... chiedete anche che il Signore Gesù ... Lui ... Lui esattamente ... o attraverso di Me, ... Sua Madre, ... o attraverso i Santi, ... vi faccia vivere l’intimità Sua.
Vedete, figli miei, ... i teologi faticano a comprendere le realtà e i fatti mistici.
Forse non è permesso ... a Dio ... di poter parlare alle anime direttamente ... ?
O attraverso la Madre Sua e Madre vostra ... ?
O attraverso i Santi ... ?
Forse non è permesso ... a Dio ... di svelare la propria intimità ... a chi è disponibile ad accogliere l’intimità, ... a chi è disponibile a cambiare vita, ... a chi è disponibile a migliorare ... ad impegnarsi nel cammino della santità?

[And...do also ask that the Lord Jesus...Him...exactly Him....or through Me,....Her Mother,....or through the Saints,....may allow you to live His intimacy.
You see, my children,...theologians struggle to understand realities and mystical facts.
Perhaps is it forbidden...to God...to be able to talk to souls directly...?
Or through Her Mother and Your Mother?
Or through the Saints...?
Perhaps is it forbidden.... to God...to show his intimacy...to someone who is able to accept intimacy,...to tsomeone who is able to change his life,...to someone who is able to improve....in the path of salvation?}


I havent' actually understood what that portion was trying to say, too much wordly language, repetitions, unclear message, no purpose at all. I don't think Mary would use that type of language. She would talk in a concise and understandable manner trying to get a message across, I don't get a message at all.

Ron Conte
29th May 2007, 03:59 AM
Thanks,

you're right, I've added this one to my false list.


Ron