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Ron Conte
8th January 2008, 12:57 AM
Even though we usually talk about the near future in this group (the Warning, etc.), I thought that we might spend some time discussing the second part of the tribulation.

One false teaching common to very many claimed private revelations is the idea that Jesus is returning for this generation. This cannot be the case since the tribulation has not yet begun, and since the tribulation is divided into two parts, with a space of a number of generations in-between. This is not an idea that is original to me. The idea of a greater and lesser tribulation goes back for centuries. I suppose that it is based on Scripture itself.

The Book of Revelation has a set of events, then a break in the events, symbolized by the Seven Thunders, then another set of events (including the reign of the Antichrist).

The Book of Daniel has a similar outline of terrible events, respite of several generations, and then a worse set of events. Daniel's 70 weeks of years has the reign of the great monarch occurring long before the time of the Antichrist and the Return of Christ.

The secret of La Salette to Melanie Calvat also has this same division of the tribulation into two parts.

This division of the tribulation into two parts is one of the most basic ideas in Catholic eschatology.

Here is my article on the date for the return of Jesus:
http://www.catholicplanet.com/future/Christ-Returns-2437.htm


Ron

myLivingBread
9th January 2008, 02:35 AM
Ron,

What will be written in the third testament? Would True private revelations messages be included ?

Ron Conte
9th January 2008, 02:58 AM
Ron,

What will be written in the third testament? Would True private revelations messages be included ?

No, true private revelation will not be included.

The Return of Jesus is in the distant future, so it is difficult to say what the third testament will be like.

Rob
9th January 2008, 10:05 AM
The third Testament is unlike the Old Testament, but much more similar to the new Testament. The four gospels were written after the resurrection of Christ and reported only the things Jesus had done and what He spoke since he is the Word. Therefore the third testament most certainly will include the things He will do and say after his glorious return, again because He is the Word, but only after His second assumption. Writing about messages of true private revelation is not part of the deposit of Faith, although there could be a reference to certain apparitions.
But wouldn't you write about Jesus if he were physically present on earth rather than true private revelations?

Rob
9th January 2008, 10:11 AM
Ron,

The majority of people who will rise from dead after Jesus' return are the martyrs of the antichrist's reign, but certainly some of these blessed will be saints from the past. I was thinking that since there shall be always a pope during the millennium, perhaps none of the past saint pope will rise, including saint Peter, could this be a possibility?
Also, will the blessed who receive the first resurrection be spottless and without sin during their life in the millennium?
How about the first fruits, shall they die, or live up to the end of the millenium as the first resurrected?

Ron Conte
9th January 2008, 03:11 PM
I was thinking that since there shall be always a pope during the millennium, perhaps none of the past saint pope will rise, including saint Peter, could this be a possibility?
Also, will the blessed who receive the first resurrection be spottless and without sin during their life in the millennium?
How about the first fruits, shall they die, or live up to the end of the millenium as the first resurrected?

If the past Saints and martyrs rise in the first resurrection, along with the martyrs of the Antichrist's reign, then the Saint Popes and Martyr Popes would also rise. The role of Pope is temporary; this is seen in that any Pope can willingly resign, after which he is no longer Pope. So it would not be a conflict for there to be several former Popes resurrected and living on earth.

Yes, the blessed of the first resurrection are unable to sin, just as the blessed of the general resurrection are unable to sin, for "Over these the second death has no power."

The first fruits cannot sin, but they have original sin. The blessed of the first and the general resurrection have no original sin and cannot commit personal sin. The first fruits would have to either die and rise, or receive the benefits of the first resurrection without dying and rising, in order to be freed from original sin and death.

myLivingBread
10th January 2008, 12:10 AM
Ron,

those who rise in the first ressurection(Saints and martyrs), will they stay on earth till the general resurection? or will they just stay for a certain time and assumed to heaven like Elijah?

Ron Conte
10th January 2008, 02:08 AM
Ron,

those who rise in the first ressurection(Saints and martyrs), will they stay on earth till the general resurection? or will they just stay for a certain time and assumed to heaven like Elijah?

I think that they stay for the whole time:

they lived and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Rev 20:4