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debtarr
29th May 2008, 11:46 AM
Ron,
What do you know of the Fatima Center and its claim that the Third Secret has not been fulfilled, that is, the consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart? The Center's director, Fr. Ncholas Gruner, states that the Vatican is wrong in believing that this has already been accomplished. I am unsettled by this kind of disagreement in the Church.

Ron Conte
29th May 2008, 01:56 PM
Ron,
What do you know of the Fatima Center and its claim that the Third Secret has not been fulfilled, that is, the consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart? The Center's director, Fr. Ncholas Gruner, states that the Vatican is wrong in believing that this has already been accomplished. I am unsettled by this kind of disagreement in the Church.

Fr. Gruner's opinion is not accepted by most Fatima adherents.
The Pope (JP2) did consecrate Russia, and Sr. Lucia was satisfied:
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm

My opinion is that Russia should be consecrated to God in each successive
generation, but it will not be. When consecrating a nation, it is really the people that is consecrated to God. But this should be done for each new generation.

Thus, sometime during the 22nd century (the 2100's), Russia will rise up and conquer some other nations, and do much harm:

[Daniel 7]
{7:1} In the first year of Belshazzar, king of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and a vision in his head on his bed. And, writing down the dream, he understood it in a concise manner, and so, summarizing it tersely, he said:
{7:2} I saw in my vision at night, and behold, the four winds of the heavens fought upon the great sea.
{7:3} And four great beasts, different from one another, ascended from the sea.
{7:4} The first was like a lioness and had the wings of an eagle. I watched as its wings were plucked off, and it was raised from the earth and stood on its feet like a man, and the heart of a man was given to it.
{7:5} And behold, another beast, like a bear, stood to one side, and there were three rows in its mouth and in its teeth, and they spoke to it in this way: “Arise, devour much flesh.”

debtarr
29th May 2008, 09:43 PM
Thanks, Ron, for the Chronology link. It answers my questions.