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Arax
29th March 2009, 08:23 PM
Ron,

Someone gave me a paper on some apparitions of Catalina Rivas from Bolivia about the Mass. Are you familiar with her? They seem very interesting, but I'm not a very good judge of such things. What do you think?

Julie

Ron Conte
29th March 2009, 09:36 PM
She is on my list of false private revelations:
http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false54.htm

TheGiftOfLife
29th March 2009, 11:24 PM
She is associated with Nancy Fowler as Ron states. I have heard Nancy F. actually say that babies concieved through IVF "HAVE NO SOULS". This was a huge RED FLAG!

Ron, I need to know where I can get proper documentation on the church's Condemnation's of apparitions or visionaries. I am specifically looking for the BAYSIDE NY "apparition" to Veronica Lueken.

I have searched and cannot find anything that will tell me what the Church has said. I know this vision to be false but need the proof from the church.

Thanks
john

Ron Conte
30th March 2009, 12:57 AM
For most apparitions, the approval or disapproval is limited to the local Bishop, and is a fallible decision of the temporal authority. Even a decision on an apparition by the Holy See would be a fallible decision of the temporal authority.

The universal Church discerns which apparitions are true over a long period of time through the sensus fidelium.

Arax
31st March 2009, 12:20 AM
Thanks Ron. I looked through the list, but I guess I must have missed that one. The only thing I read of hers was this paper about the Mass, so I'm not familiar with anything else about her, but I have heard of Vassula Ryden and I know that she's false. If the paper had mentioned her I would have thrown it away immediately!