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Ron Conte 21st April 2007 12:09 PM

TS 3: Papal Infallibility
 
The three ways that the Magisterium can teach infallibly are:

1. Papal Infallibility
2. Solemn Definitions of Ecumenical Councils
3. Universal Magisterium

The Pope can:

1. teach infallibly (Sacred Magisterium)
2. teach non-infallibly (Ordinary Magisterium)
3. express theological opinion (not an act of the Magisterium)

The Pope teaches infallibly only when his teaching meets the criteria for an infallible papal teaching which criteria were infallibly defined by the First Vatican Council, and reiterated by the Second Vatican Council:

The teaching of the First Vatican Council on Papal Infallibility can be conveniently summed up with a list of criteria that a teaching must meet:

1. “the Roman Pontiff”
2. “speaks ex cathedra” (“that is, when in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority….”)
3. “he defines”
4. “that a doctrine concerning faith or morals”
5. “must be held by the whole Church”

Many theologians combine one and two above, so that they list the same criteria, but with a different numbering.

Second Vatican Council reiterated the same criteria, but with different wording:

1. “the Roman Pontiff”
2. “in virtue of his office, when as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (cf. Lk 22:32),”
3. “by a definitive act, he proclaims”
4. “a doctrine of faith or morals” (“And this infallibility…in defining doctrine of faith and morals, extends as far as the deposit of revelation extends”)
5. “in accordance with revelation itself, which all are obliged to abide by and be in conformity with”

As an exercise, write out the numbers 1. through 5. and quote the wording from the infallible papal defintion for the Assumption which meets the criteria for papal infallibility. You will find the definition in paragraph 44:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pi...s-deus_en.html

Love The Fisherman 21st April 2007 02:57 PM

Ok Ron,
How about:
1, Chap. 9;
2, Chap. 11;
3, Chap. 44;
4, Chap. 12;
5, Chap. 45+47.

1 was a bit of a quess because I would assume that the Roman Pontiff would sign the dogma. I never read this dogma before, great stuff! But Im glad Im not a theologian!

Ron Conte 21st April 2007 04:32 PM

you misunderstood the exercise. After each number, quote the words that apply; this would typically be only a phrase or a single word, or a most a single sentence, not a chapter.

Padraig 21st April 2007 05:57 PM

1......and by our own authority



2 to 3....we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma:


4to5...Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.


Rob 21st April 2007 06:00 PM

I'll give it a try.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pi...s-deus_en.html

1.“the Roman Pontiff”
2. “speaks ex cathedra” (“that is, when in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority….”)
3. “he defines”
4. “that a doctrine concerning faith or morals”
5. “must be held by the whole Church”

1. It's the Apostolic constitution of Pope Pius XII regarding a teaching of the Church, it's the pope speaking, first criteria is met.

2. "by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority", second criteria is met

3. "we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma", third criteria is met

4. "that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.", fourth criteria is met

5. "and for the joy and exultation of the entire Church" "may be brought to the attention of the universal Church", fifth criteria is met.


All five criteria for papal infallibility are met, this is an infallible teaching of the Catholic Church.

Ron Conte 21st April 2007 06:28 PM

That was good Padraig.
Rob, even better.


Ron

Padraig 21st April 2007 06:37 PM

Ha! I was never straight 'A's

CRW 21st April 2007 09:46 PM

Ron,

I would just add this as number five ( 5. “must be held by the whole Church”)to Rod reply: Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.

Cecil

Ron Conte 21st April 2007 10:04 PM

Cecil,

Yes, you've improved on Rob's list by replacing what he had (which was not bad) with the anathema against anyone who rejects the teaching.


Ron

Ron Conte 21st April 2007 10:08 PM

Now here is a more difficult exercise.
The following Apostolic Constitution of Pope Benedict XII
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Ben12/B12bdeus.html
may or may not contain an exercise of papal infallibility.
Theologians are not in agreement,
and the Magsterium has not stated whether or not it falls under
papal infallibility. Of course, a subsequent statement from the
Magisterium is not needed and is not one of the requirements for
an infallible papal statement.

Say whether or not you think the document's teaching falls under
papal infallibility; if you think it does, list the five criteria; if you
think it is not, say which criteria were not met. Also state what
exactly is being taught infallibly.


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