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Old 6th January 2012, 06:50 PM
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Some Catholics say, incorrectly, that we should not engage in the 'personal intepretation' of Scripture; that only the Church can interpret the Bible. V2 says otherwise. The Council considered the work of exegetes, of lay persons, religious, and priests who study Scripture, to be fundamental to the work of the Church in understanding and explaning the Bible. But this must always occur under the judgment of the Church in Her Magisterium.

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"14. In carefully planning and preparing the salvation of the whole human race the God of infinite love..."

Vatican II taught the universal salvific will of God, that God decided to offer salvation to the whole human race. Many conservative Catholic authors have tried to undermine or contradict this teaching.

"To this people which He had acquired for Himself, He so manifested Himself through words and deeds as the one true and living God that Israel came to know by experience the ways of God with men."

DV already said that Scriture and Tradition are the words and the deeds of God, so the above quote implies that Tradition as well as Scripture began with the Jews.

15. "These books [OT], though they also contain some things which are incomplete and temporary, nevertheless show us true divine pedagogy [instruction]."

The denigration of the OT books, alarminly common among Christians today, is rejected by V2. Instead, the teaching is that these books, too, are entirely imspired by God. Some things in them are incomplete, such as that the New Covenant and Christ are only implicit. Some things in them are temporary, since the OT disciplines have been dispensed. But they are nevertheless part of the Sacred Deposit of Faith.
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"16. God, the inspirer and author of both Testaments, wisely arranged that the New Testament be hidden in the Old and the Old be made manifest in the New. (2) For, though Christ established the new covenant in His blood (see Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25), still the books of the Old Testament with all their parts, caught up into the proclamation of the Gospel, (3) acquire and show forth their full meaning in the New Testament (see Matt. 5:17; Luke 24:27; Rom. 16:25-26; 2 Cor. 14:16) and in turn shed light on it and explain it."

The same is true for the Old Covenenat compared to the New Covenant. The New was hidden in the Old, and the Old continues within the New, in as much as the Old was transformed into the New. The idea that the Old Covenant is null and void, that it was taken away and replaced by the New Covenant, is false. Instead, the Old was transfigured, transformed, into the New.

Therefore, those Jews who reject Christ and Christianity, if they do so in good conscience, without actual mortal sin, can still be saved by this Old Covenant, despite not realizing that the Old Covenant exists now in its new, higher, transfigured form.
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"17. The word God, which is the power of God for the salvation of all who believe (see Rom. 1:16), is set forth and shows its power in a most excellent way in the writings of the New Testament. For when the fullness of time arrived (see Gal. 4:4), the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us in His fullness of graces and truth (see John 1:14). Christ established the kingdom of God on earth, manifested His Father and Himself by deeds and words, and completed His work by His death, resurrection and glorious Ascension and by the sending of the Holy Spirit. Having been lifted up from the earth, He draws all men to Himself (see John 12:32, Greek text), He who alone has the words of eternal life (see John 6:68). This mystery had not been manifested to other generations as it was now revealed to His holy Apostles and prophets in the Holy Spirit (see Eph. 3:4-6, Greek text), so that they might preach the Gospel, stir up faith in Jesus, Christ and Lord, and gather together the Church. Now the writings of the New Testament stand as a perpetual and divine witness to these realities."

Both Testaments are the infallible Word of God. But the NT is greater, since it makes manifest certain mysteries of salvation that were only implicit in the OT.

"18. It is common knowledge that among all the Scriptures, even those of the New Testament, the Gospels have a special preeminence, and rightly so, for they are the principal witness for the life and teaching of the incarnate Word, our savior."

"The Church has always and everywhere held and continues to hold that the four Gospels are of apostolic origin. For what the Apostles preached in fulfillment of the commission of Christ, afterwards they themselves and apostolic men, under the inspiration of the divine Spirit, handed on to us in writing: the foundation of faith, namely, the fourfold Gospel, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John."

What the Church has always and everywhere held is infallible under the Universal Magisterium. So here again is a teaching of V2 which is infallible, under the UM, if not under Conciliar infallibility.
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19. Holy Mother Church has firmly and with absolute constancy held, and continues to hold, that the four Gospels just named, whose historical character the Church unhesitatingly asserts, faithfully hand on what Jesus Christ, while living among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation until the day He was taken up into heaven (see Acts 1:1). Indeed, after the Ascension of the Lord the Apostles handed on to their hearers what He had said and done. This they did with that clearer understanding which they enjoyed (3) after they had been instructed by the glorious events of Christ's life and taught by the light of the Spirit of truth. (2) The sacred authors wrote the four Gospels, selecting some things from the many which had been handed on by word of mouth or in writing, reducing some of them to a synthesis, explaining some things in view of the situation of their churches and preserving the form of proclamation but always in such fashion that they told us the honest truth about Jesus.(4) For their intention in writing was that either from their own memory and recollections, or from the witness of those who "themselves from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the Word" we might know "the truth" concerning those matters about which we have been instructed (see Luke 1:2-4).

20. Besides the four Gospels, the canon of the New Testament also contains the epistles of St. Paul and other apostolic writings, composed under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, by which, according to the wise plan of God, those matters which concern Christ the Lord are confirmed, His true teaching is more and more fully stated, the saving power of the divine work of Christ is preached, the story is told of the beginnings of the Church and its marvelous growth, and its glorious fulfillment is foretold.

For the Lord Jesus was with His apostles as He had promised (see Matt. 28:20) and sent them the advocate Spirit who would lead them into the fullness of truth (see John 16:13).
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Vatican II is often used as an excuse to support heretical claims that the Bible, even the Gospels themselves, are full of errors and are not reliable as a source of historical truth or even moral truth. But as you can see from the above extensive quote, Vatican II taught no such thing. The total inspiration and total inerrancy of Scripture is the constant teaching of the Magisterium, including at the Second Vatican Council.
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"21. The Church has always venerated the divine Scriptures just as she venerates the body of the Lord, since, especially in the sacred liturgy, she unceasingly receives and offers to the faithful the bread of life from the table both of God's word and of Christ's body. She has always maintained them, and continues to do so, together with sacred tradition, as the supreme rule of faith, since, as inspired by God and committed once and for all to writing, they impart the word of God Himself without change, and make the voice of the Holy Spirit resound in the words of the prophets and Apostles."

Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are the supreme rule of Faith.

The assertion that they [Tradition and Scripture] "impart the word of God Himself without change" implies that Tradition and Scripture are entirely infallible in all that they assert as true.
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"22. Easy access to Sacred Scripture should be provided for all the Christian faithful. That is why the Church from the very beginning accepted as her own that very ancient Greek translation; of the Old Testament which is called the septuagint; and she has always given a place of honor to other Eastern translations and Latin ones especially the Latin translation known as the vulgate."

My own translation of the Bible, the CPDV, was composed and placed in the public domain so that the faithful would have easy access to Scripture, to a version of Scripture based on the Latin Vulgate, which has had a special place in the Scriptural life of the Church for many centuries.
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23. "The bride of the incarnate Word, the Church taught by the Holy Spirit, is concerned to move ahead toward a deeper understanding of the Sacred Scriptures so that she may increasingly feed her sons with the divine words."

"The sacred synod encourages the sons of the Church and Biblical scholars to continue energetically, following the mind of the Church, with the work they have so well begun, with a constant renewal of vigor."

This encouragement of Vatican II has not really been followed, not by many persons at least. Instead, the trend has been increasingly:

1. to denigrate the Bible, representing it as full of errors and out of step with the times. Some take this so far as to ridicule and abominate certain teachings of Scripture, esp. on sexual ethics.

2. to omit from new translations many words, phrases, and some whole verses of the Bible, on alleged scholarly grounds

3. to translate the Bible with innumerable distortions and inaccuracy, introducing gender inclusive language, and obscuring or changing whatever is deemed offensive

4. to interpret the Bible in such a way as to contradict the definitive teachings of the Magisterium, in a vain attempt to make Scripture seem to approve of the sins of modern society.
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24. "Sacred theology rests on the written word of God, together with sacred tradition, as its primary and perpetual foundation."

Most theologians do not base their theology on Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium. At best, some use very select sources from TSM. At worst, TSM is ignored and openly contradicted.

Then there are the many false teachers who proclaim, falsely, that the Church teaches this or that, when in fact the Magisterium teaches the opposite, or at least a much different doctrine than is proclaimed, falsely, using Her name.
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