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Old 13th November 2009, 03:31 PM
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Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Second Person of the Holy Trinity
has two natures: the Divine Nature and his human nature.

His human nature is like us in all things but sin. His human nature has a human body and a human soul. His soul requires grace, both sanctifying grace (habitual grace) and actual grace. He souls received grace directly from His Divine Nature, for the two natures are intimately united as one Person.

This very close and thorough unity, called the hypostatic union, in no way detracts from either nature. His human nature is no less human for being united to his Divine Nature. And the two natures, though not separate, remain distinct.

Jesus was unable to commit personal sin because the two natures are united as one Person. He also did not have original sin, because there can be no sin or fault in a human nature united to the Divine Nature, and because Mary did not have original sin to pass on to her Son.

Since Jesus has two natures, He also has two wills, human and Divine, and two minds, human and Divine. But these two are in perfect harmony, except that all that is human in Christ is finite, and all that is Divine is infinite.
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So would Jesus have experienced all the various feelings and emotions associated with humanity?
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So would Jesus have experienced all the various feelings and emotions associated with humanity?

Yes, Jesus had the normal compliment of human emotions: joy, sorrow, fear, anger, etc. etc.
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Thank you Ron. But were these two natures in jesus at the same time in his earthly life? In other words, was Jesus true God when he was man during his earthly life or only when he left the world? or, for instance, the two natures were held interchangeably?

Moreover, jesus knew many supernatural things, does it come from his divine nature, or, he was inspired by the holy spirit while being merely in his human nature?

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Thank you Ron. But were these two natures in jesus at the same time in his earthly life? In other words, was Jesus true God when he was man during his earthly life or only when he left the world? or, for instance, the two natures were held interchangeably?

Moreover, jesus knew many supernatural things, does it come from his divine nature, or, he was inspired by the holy spirit while being merely in his human nature?

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The two natures were united from the first moment of His conception, which was also the first moment of His Incarnation. And they remained always united throughout his earthly life, death, resurrection, and ascension. Even when his soul and body were separated in death, each remained united to His Divinity.

The one Person of Jesus Christ is the two natures.

Jesus had two minds, the mind of His Divine Nature and the mind of His human nature, and two wills, one for each nature. His infinite Divine mind knows all things all at once, in one act. His human mind is finite, and so has finite knowledge.

His human mind had knowledge directly from His Divine mind in the Beatific Vision of God, and infused knowledge from conception, and knowledge that he acquired in the usual human way, by learning.
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Ron,

So we can say that the body and soul of [the human nature of] Christ was created at the incarnation?

I heard in a discussion that since we say in the Nicene Creed that Jesus Christ is "begotten, not made", we can not say that he was made.

...We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:...

But like you explained well, it is His Divine Nature that wasn't made, His human nature was "created" (His body and soul) at His incarnation in the Virgin Mary's womb, correct ?

Please clarify.
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Ron,

So we can say that the body and soul of [the human nature of] Christ was created at the incarnation?

I heard in a discussion that since we say in the Nicene Creed that Jesus Christ is "begotten, not made", we can not say that he was made.

...We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:...

But like you explained well, it is His Divine Nature that wasn't made, His human nature was "created" (His body and soul) at His incarnation in the Virgin Mary's womb, correct ?

Please clarify.

The Second Person of the Trinity is begotten, not made.
The human nature of Christ was made.

His body was created by the Holy Spirit from the body of Mary. His soul was created by the Holy Spirit. His body and soul were united with the Divine Nature. And all these things happened all in the same instant.
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