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Old 28th March 2007, 10:14 PM
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Ron, (and everybody else),

Can you give me your take on Matthew 7 and John 8, both of which seem to forbidding judgment?

What is the Catholic teaching on this and your expounded view?

Thx to all,

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Old 28th March 2007, 10:26 PM
Ron Conte Ron Conte is offline
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[Matthew 7]
{7:1} “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.
{7:2} For with whatever judgment you judge, so shall you be judged; and with whatever measure you measure out, so shall it be measured back to you.
{7:3} And how can you see the splinter in your brother’s eye, and not see the board in your own eye?
{7:4} Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the splinter from your eye,’ while, behold, a board is in your own eye?
{7:5} Hypocrite, first remove the board from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the board from your brother’s eye.

Do not judge the person, such that you condemn something or approve of something merely because it was done by them. Do not judge the person, so that you decide if they will go to heaven or to hell.

However, judge the actions and words of your brothers and sisters, so as to correct them. For this is a kind of mercy, not a kind of condemnation.

{8:10} Then Jesus, raising himself up, said to her: “Woman, where are those who accused you? Has no one condemned you?”
{8:11} And she said, “No one, Lord.” Then Jesus said: “Neither will I condemn you. Go, and now do not choose to sin anymore.”

Jesus did not condemn her, but he did condemn her actions. He told her not to sin anymore, thereby indicating that she what she did was sinful.

We should act similarly, condemning evil acts and any words or acts contrary to the Gospel, but not condemning the person.

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Old 29th March 2007, 12:13 AM
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In this reading where Jesus does not condemn the woman, he writes in the sand with his finger (this was the Gospel reading this past Sunday). What exactly does that signify? Does it have to do with not crossing the line of condemning another or is there some deeper meaning to it? Thanks.
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Old 29th March 2007, 01:41 AM
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Not Ron but I always thought that Christ was identifying the sins of those about to cast the first stone. Reading their sins written in the sand, they turn aside in their shame. Christ humbled them by their own sins; allowing their conscience to be their judge.

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Old 29th March 2007, 02:10 AM
Ron Conte Ron Conte is offline
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The ten commandments were written with the finger of God on tablets of stone.

This woman had broken one of the ten commandments.

Jesus was writing the two new commandments, love God and love your neighbor, with his finger, the finger of God.

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