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Old 27th April 2007, 12:47 PM
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Default TS 4: the universal Magisterium

We are looking that the ways that the Magisterium can teach infallibly:

1. papal infallibility
2. solemn definitions of Ecumenical Councils
3. the ordinary and universal Magisterium

This universal Magisterium teaches infallibly when:

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Although the individual bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, they nevertheless proclaim Christ's doctrine infallibly whenever, even though dispersed through the world, but still maintaining the bond of communion among themselves and with the successor of Peter, and authentically teaching matters of faith and morals, they are in agreement on one position as definitively to be held. (Luman Gentium)

Now the Magisterium has not clarified this teaching the way that papal infallibility was clarified, so that there would be a set of criteria to discover if a teaching falls under the infallible universal Magisterium. However, the following points are reasonable and consistent with other teachings:

criteria for the universal Magisterium

1. the body of Bishops and the Pope (not the Pope alone, not the Bishops individually, not the Bishops without the Pope)

2. exercising their role as authentic teachers of the universal Church

3. teaching "one position definitively to be held"

4. on "matters of faith and morals"

5. the phrase "definitively to be held" implies that the teaching is a required belief, not a theological opinion.

Usually, it takes a period of time for an infallible teaching under the universal Magisterium to emerge. But notice that Vatican II did not mention a length of time. As long as the body of Bishops and the Pope are in agreement on one position, on a matter of faith or morals, definitively taught and definitively to be believed by all the faithful, then the teaching falls under the universal Magisterium.

Can anyone suggest some teachings which may fall under the universal Magisterium?
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Old 27th April 2007, 02:33 PM
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Women Priests ?
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Old 27th April 2007, 03:36 PM
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Evangelium Vitae JPII, on suicide?
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Old 27th April 2007, 03:43 PM
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Women Priests ?

Yes, the teaching against the ordination of women to the preisthood falls under the universal Magisterium. In my opinion, it also now has been taught under papal infallibility.


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Old 27th April 2007, 03:49 PM
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Evangelium Vitae JPII, on suicide?

In my opinion, the three infallible declarations in Evangelium Vitae fall under the same type of infallibility as that of an Ecumenical Council.

The Church teaches infallibly in three ways:

1. papal infallibility
These are usually written definitions of doctrine.

2. solemn definitions of Ecumenical Councils.
These are also usually written definitions of doctrine.

3. teachings under the universal Magisterium
These teachings are infallible, not by virtue of being defined in a particular statement in a particular document, but by virtue of having been taught universally, in many places throughout the world, at various times, by the body of Bishops, and also by the Pope.

So there would not be a particular document whose written definition would constitute an infallible teaching under the universal Magisterium
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Old 27th April 2007, 04:11 PM
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But the Church's teachings on suicide itself, rather than this document would spring infallibly from the Universal Magisterium??
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Old 27th April 2007, 04:48 PM
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Maybe waging a just war since that is in the realm of morals? Not sure though.
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Old 27th April 2007, 06:38 PM
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But the Church's teachings on suicide itself, rather than this document would spring infallibly from the Universal Magisterium??

Yes, that's correct.
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Old 27th April 2007, 06:39 PM
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Maybe waging a just war since that is in the realm of morals? Not sure though.

It's hard to say, since the exact criteria for a just war are probably still in the realm of theological opinion. The fact that war can be just may fall under the universal Magisterium.
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Old 27th April 2007, 07:35 PM
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I must admit that it is much more difficult to spot infallible teachings from the Universal Magisterium than papal infallible definitions. These infallible teachings can be defined over the course of time, even from one generation of bishops to the next one, so it is difficult to track these definitions.

Ron, are there some ways to easily spot infallible teachings of the Universal Magisterium? Cna you give us some examples of documents defined by the infallible magisterium so that we can get some ideas? Thanks

Anyway, I believe that teachings on contraception fall under the Universal Magisterium. Correct?
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