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Old 11th October 2010, 12:13 PM
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[1 Timothy 4]
{4:1} Now the Spirit has clearly said that, in the end times, some persons will depart from the faith, paying attention to spirits of error and the doctrines of devils,
{4:2} speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their consciences seared,
{4:3} prohibiting marriage, abstaining from foods, which God has created to be accepted with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who have understood the truth.
{4:4} For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected which is received with thanksgiving;
{4:5} for it has been sanctified by the Word of God and by prayer.
{4:6} By proposing these things to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished by words of faith, and by the good doctrine that you have secured.
{4:7} But avoid the silly fables of old women. And exercise yourself so as to advance in piety.
{4:8} For the exercise of the body is somewhat useful. But piety is useful in all things, holding the promise of life, in the present and in the future.
{4:9} This is a faithful saying and worthy of full acceptance.
{4:10} For this reason we labor and are maligned: because we hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, most especially of the faithful.
{4:11} Instruct and teach these things.
{4:12} Let no one despise your youth, but be an example among the faithful in word, in behavior, in charity, in faith, in chastity.
{4:13} Until I arrive, attend to reading, to exhortation, and to doctrine.
{4:14} Do not be willing to neglect the grace that is within you, which was given to you through prophecy, with the imposition of the hands of the priesthood.
{4:15} Meditate on these things, so that your progress may be manifest to all.
{4:16} Pay attention to yourself and to doctrine. Pursue these things. For in doing so, you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
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Old 11th October 2010, 12:16 PM
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{4:4} For every creature of God is good....

This verse refutes the claim of the Calvinists that human nature is totally depraved. We are each creatures of God.
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Old 11th October 2010, 01:30 PM
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{4:4} For every creature of God is good....

This verse refutes the claim of the Calvinists that human nature is totally depraved. We are each creatures of God.

In our fallen state, there is strong tendency to do sin..., what holds it is religion, Christ teaching..., so an atheist do not have anything that can holds him / her to do sin...
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Old 11th October 2010, 01:38 PM
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4:10 For this reason we labor and are maligned: because we hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, most especially of the faithful.

Christians who labor for the kingdom will be persecuted. God wills that all men be saved. The faithful stand the best chance of salvation.
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Old 11th October 2010, 06:34 PM
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[1 Timothy 4]
{4:1} Now the Spirit has clearly said that, in the end times, some persons will depart from the faith, paying attention to spirits of error and the doctrines of devils,

This verse is being fulfilled in the present time. Some persons have followed the teachings of devils by adhering to false claims of private revelations, whose messages are from devils. Other persons have paid attention to the spirits of error (figuratively speaking) in the form of false teachings of secular society.

{4:2} speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their consciences seared,

Many of these persons are not in good conscience; they are led astray because they prefer a lie to the truth, so that they can continue to sin.

{4:3} prohibiting marriage, abstaining from foods, which God has created to be accepted with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who have understood the truth.

There are many ways that true holy marriage is 'prohibited' today: by the sins of sex outside of marriage, of living together, of homosexual relationships, of sexual sins (unnatural sexual acts) within marriage, of civil marriages by Christians outside of the Sacrament, and by widespread divorce. The abstaining from foods is fulfilled in that many persons claim that we should not eat meat, or should not eat dairy, based on false, exaggerated, or misguided concerns for the environment and for health.

{4:4} For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected which is received with thanksgiving;
{4:5} for it has been sanctified by the Word of God and by prayer.

All foods, including meat, poultry, seafood, dairy, refined foods, etc. are good. But moderation and good judgment and considerations of health and the fair distribution of food resources still apply.

{4:6} By proposing these things to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished by words of faith, and by the good doctrine that you have secured.
{4:7} But avoid the silly fables of old women. And exercise yourself so as to advance in piety.

The silly fables today are many: false explanations and excuses given by secular society to justify sins, as well as a different set of false explanations and excuses given by unfaithful Catholics and unfaithful priests and theologians, again to justify sin. The Church is figuratively represented as a woman, especially by the Virgin Mary, who by her sinlessness should be represented as a woman who is unaffected by age. But the figurative church of secular society, which has its own perverse doctrines and perverse disciplines, is an old woman -- or more aptly many old women, since the erroneous view of sinful secular society are not one consistent harmonious whole, but many contradictory false claims.

{4:8} For the exercise of the body is somewhat useful. But piety is useful in all things, holding the promise of life, in the present and in the future.
{4:9} This is a faithful saying and worthy of full acceptance.

Body and soul are both good, but the soul is greater than the body.

{4:10} For this reason we labor and are maligned: because we hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, most especially of the faithful.
{4:11} Instruct and teach these things.
{4:12} Let no one despise your youth, but be an example among the faithful in word, in behavior, in charity, in faith, in chastity.
{4:13} Until I arrive, attend to reading, to exhortation, and to doctrine.
{4:14} Do not be willing to neglect the grace that is within you, which was given to you through prophecy, with the imposition of the hands of the priesthood.
{4:15} Meditate on these things, so that your progress may be manifest to all.
{4:16} Pay attention to yourself and to doctrine. Pursue these things. For in doing so, you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.

Would that more Bishops today would follow this advice of Paul to Timothy.
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Old 11th October 2010, 11:32 PM
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I work with Catholic men who never go to Mass,never say a Rosary,but never leave the gym.

Heres what it says in The Christian Community Bible..

1 Tim 4 (verses 8 & 9 )...

"Physical training is of limited value; godliness instead is useful in every way, holding promise for the present life and for the life to come.

Here you have a sure doctrine you can trust. "

Can you imagine the reaction of trying to put this truth across?
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