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Old 14th September 2016, 04:56 PM
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Can we say that no one is in Hell or hope and pray that no one is in Hell? No, we can not, because that is tantamount of saying that Jesus lied, or to hope and pray that Jesus erred badly or lied, but Jesus can not lie because He is God and God is Truth.

[Matthew]
{8:11} For I say to you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and they shall sit at table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
{8:12} But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


{13:41} The Son of man shall send out his Angels, and they shall gather from his kingdom all who lead astray and those who work iniquity.
{13:42} And he shall cast them into the furnace of fire, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


{13:49} So shall it be at the consummation of the age. The Angels shall go forth and separate the bad from the midst of the just.
{13:50} And they shall cast them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

{22:13} Then the king said to the ministers: ‘Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

{24:51} And he shall separate him, and he shall place his portion with the hypocrites, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

{25:30} And cast that useless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

"Weeping and gnashing of teeth" are the lamentations of the damned, who ? fallen angels ? No, angels are spirit so they do not have body, or teeth or weep. Humans do. So this is an expression of telling us about are the lamentations of the damned humans in Hell. Of course, fallen angels are in Hell too, but here specifically, Jesus is talking about the damned humans.

We can hope and pray however, for the conversion of sinners on earth.
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Old 14th September 2016, 05:02 PM
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[Matthew]
{7:13} Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate, and broad is the way, which leads to perdition, and many there are who enter through it.
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There are also several different Ecumenical Councils whose infallible teachings require belief that some human souls are sent to Hell.

See my post on the subject here:
https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2016/...s-are-in-hell/

The teaching on the general resurrection includes that some human souls are resurrected from Hell.

[Acts]
{24:15} having a hope in God, which these others themselves also expect, that there will be a future resurrection of the just and the unjust.
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Old 14th September 2016, 07:46 PM
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Has anyone heard of this book; The Secrets of Purgatory by Berthold Fries, S.V.D.
Since you were on the topic of Hell, I'm interested in the topic of Purgatory, and looking for some books on the topic.

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Old 14th September 2016, 07:59 PM
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Has anyone heard of this book; The Secrets of Purgatory by Berthold Fries, S.V.D.
Since you were on the topic of Hell, I'm interested in the topic of Purgatory, and looking for some books on the topic.

Thanks

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Ron has a book on Heaven, Hell, Purgatory and Limbo:

https://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Purgat...WW/#nav-subnav
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Thank you, Brother!

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Old 28th November 2016, 03:17 PM
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Here are other Biblical passages (among others) that specify that there are souls in Hell.

The following is Daniel's prophecy on the general resurrection of the body and Judgment Day:

[Daniel]
{12:2} And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken: some to everlasting life, and others to a reproach that they will always see.

The souls of those who are in Hell will unite with their corrupt bodies so they will be thrown in the pool of fire forever (Revelation 20: 12-15).

[Daniel]
{12:7} .... And when the dispersion of the hand of the holy people is completed, all these things will be completed.

It's absolutely certain.

Jesus also said:

[Matthew]
{8:11} For I say to you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and they shall sit at table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
{8:12} But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

So, we cannot hold that there is no one in Hell or that there may be no one in Hell, for God tell us the contrary.
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Good points. There are many places in Scripture that teach on the punishment of souls in Hell. It is material dogma, since it is taught by Tradition and Scripture. It is also formal dogma, since it is the teaching of multiple Ecumenical Councils as well as of the ordinary and universal Magisterium.

Yet people openly reject this teaching, and few object.
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Old 1st August 2017, 03:47 PM
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Default Jesus explicitly explains the parable of the weeds in the field.”

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{13:36} Then, dismissing the crowds, he went into the house. And his disciples drew near to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
{13:37} Responding, he said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of man.
{13:38} Now the field is the world. And the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom. But the weeds are the sons of wickedness.
{13:39} So the enemy who sowed them is the devil. And truly, the harvest is the consummation of the age; while the reapers are the Angels.
{13:40} Therefore, just as weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the consummation of the age.
{13:41} The Son of man shall send out his Angels, and they shall gather from his kingdom all who lead astray and those who work iniquity.
{13:42} And he shall cast them into the furnace of fire, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth
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{13:43} Then the just ones shall shine like the sun, in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear.

This explanation from Jesus should be clear enough.

If Hell is empty, why would Jesus teach us the parable of the weeds in the field (Matthew 13:24-30), in the first place ? - if this has (supposedly) nothing to do as things are happening?

{13:30} Permit both to grow until the harvest, and at the time of the harvest, I will say to the reapers: Gather first the weeds, and bind them into bundles to burn, but the wheat gather into my storehouse.’ ”

I put this again:

{13:40} Therefore, just as weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the consummation of the age.
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Mirjana asked our lady why God cant save souls that are already in hell. Our lady replied that souls in hell dont want to pray anymore and that they hate God even more then they did on earth.
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