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Old 13th May 2007, 07:20 PM
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CANON 15. Adam was changed, but for the worse, through his own iniquity from what God made him. Through the grace of God the believer is changed, but for the better, from what his iniquity has done for him. The one, therefore, was the change brought about by the first sinner; the other, according to the Psalmist, is the change of the right hand of the Most High (Ps. 77:10).

CONCLUSION. And thus according to the passages of holy scripture quoted above or the interpretations of the ancient Fathers we must, under the blessing of God, preach and believe as follows. The sin of the first man has so impaired and weakened free will that no one thereafter can either love God as he ought or believe in God or do good for God's sake, unless the grace of divine mercy has preceded him.

The Council taught that original sin began when Adam and Eve fell from grace, that the effects of original sin are inherited, affecting body and soul, and that baptism repairs the damage done by the fall of Adam and Eve, except that we are left with a remnant of that first sin, which is concupiscence (a tendency toward personal sin).

For someone who has been baptised, the grace of God is necessary for all that is truly good, and that grace preceeds, accompanies, and follows acts of the free will.
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Old 13th May 2007, 08:37 PM
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Where the Council of Orange Canonís modified and current Canon Law, although the wording may be different or is this totally different?

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Old 14th May 2007, 02:19 AM
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Where the Council of Orange Canonís modified and current Canon Law, although the wording may be different or is this totally different?

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I don't understand what you are asking. Can you rephrase it?
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Old 14th May 2007, 02:35 AM
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I don't understand what you are asking. Can you rephrase it?

When I compare the current Canon Law 15 (Code of Canon Law) vs. Canon 15 of the Council of Orange, are we speaking of the same Canon Law, after being reworded over time? Sorry for the first post not being clear.

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Old 14th May 2007, 11:45 AM
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When I compare the current Canon Law 15 (Code of Canon Law) vs. Canon 15 of the Council of Orange, are we speaking of the same Canon Law, after being reworded over time? Sorry for the first post not being clear.

Cecil

The term Canon as used in 'Canon Law' has a different meaning than the Canons of Ecumenical Councils.

Canon Law is generally an exercise of the temporal authority of the Church, although the moral law and some teachings of the faith certainly influence or are incorporated into these laws.

Canons of Ecumenical Councils are generally definitive teachings, and so are an exercise of the teaching authority of the Church.

Canon Law 15 is not related to Canon 15 of the Council of Orange.
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Ron,

Thank you for the clarification. It is odd that if you read both, 15 Canon and 15 Canon Law they almost seem related.

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