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Old 27th April 2012, 07:23 PM
daytonafreak daytonafreak is offline
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Default Perhaps this is worth considering. (about half way down on the left side)
Although I cannot find the actual interview at this time.

"Mr. Weber interviewed Conchita at her home in the presence of her mother. There was also present with Mr. Weber an interpreter. During that interview, it came out that when Conchita had spoken on the very day that Pope John XXIII died of “Three more Popes and then would come the end of the times,” her mother had asked her several questions.
In response to one of her mother’s questions, Conchita responded that Our Lady had actually said that there would be four more Popes but that She was not counting one of them. When Conchita’s mother heard that she strictly forbade Conchita to repeat that again as her mother feared there would be erroneous interpretations and much gossip."
Old 27th April 2012, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by daytonafreak View Post (about half way down on the left side)
Although I cannot find the actual interview at this time.

"Mr. Weber interviewed Conchita at her home in the presence of her mother. There was also present with Mr. Weber an interpreter. During that interview, it came out that when Conchita had spoken on the very day that Pope John XXIII died of “Three more Popes and then would come the end of the times,” her mother had asked her several questions.
In response to one of her mother’s questions, Conchita responded that Our Lady had actually said that there would be four more Popes but that She was not counting one of them. When Conchita’s mother heard that she strictly forbade Conchita to repeat that again as her mother feared there would be erroneous interpretations and much gossip."

John 23
1. Paul 6
2. John Paul I
3. John Paul II
4. Benedict XVI

If we don't count JP1, then Benedict is the third. But since Conchita said 3 by one way of counting (skipping JP1) and four by another way, the result is the same. The end times begin either during Benedict's reign, or just after.

But she said the end times, not necessarily beginning with the Warning.
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Old 7th August 2012, 01:14 AM
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The group that Joey Lomangina started has raised an interesting point.
I have not read all of this yet, but I think they are speaking of the "Young Martyr of the Eucharist" who might have not yet have been cannonized at the time of the apparitions but were non the less a young martyr of the Eucharist.

August 6, 2012

Dear Friends,

Among Marian apparitions, Garabandal is distinguished by the ardor of the embrace of the Mother of God. It was customary for Our Lady of Mount Carmel to kiss the four young girls and to be kissed in return.

Our Lady reverently venerated the sacramental objects offered to her by the visionaries on behalf of others; rosaries, holy medals, missals, and wedding rings. The girls in ecstasy had the uncanny ability to return the appropriate object directly to the owner not knowing beforehand who had presented which object.The final apparition on November 13, 1965 was expressly to kiss the accumulated articles to which Our Lady attached a solemn promise - for those who use these objects with faith, Jesus will perform prodigies.

It is important to recall at the time of the Spanish Civil War, the Asturias, the region in which Garabandal is located, was a stronghold for the advance of Communism in Spain. The faithful of this region and the other adjacent northern areas were forbidden by law to own rosaries, medals and other symbols of Christianity. These objects, which had been passed down through the centuries in devout families, were hidden in those troubled times. Bearers who displayed religious items in public were ridiculed and assaulted or harassed by the authorities.

For the apparitions, small tables were set out to accommodate these objects. A makeup compact was once laid down on one of the tables. This provoked an outcry against what seemed like a frivolous act, yet the small gold case remained in place. During the next visitation, Our Lady sited the compact and rejoiced, "This belongs to my Son." Later it was revealed that the vessel had secretly conveyed consecrated hosts to those in hiding during the Civil War.

The apparition of August 6, 1962 is by contrast the only known occurrence of the Archangel Saint Mich! ael embr acing a physical object.

And so on this day, fifty years ago, in San Sebastian de Garabandal, three Hospitaller Brothers of Saint John of God climbed the ox cart path that connected the remote mountain village to the outside world, arriving unnoticed in the sweltering midday heat. They did not know it, but they had come to receive a mysterious honor from the Prince of the Holy Angels.
A sketch of the Saint
Born in Portugal in 1495, Joao Cidade Duarte abandoned his family as a small boy. He never returned. He tramped across Europe in violence and plunder as a thieving quartermaster in the imperial infantry. His service concluded, he returned to Iberia a forty year old prodigal with much to atone for.

On the feast of Saint Sebastian, John went to hear a sermon by Saint John of Avila. He was so devastated with loathing for his sins that he turned on himself in fury and for a time sought a life of humiliation for Christ. He was cast into an asylum and cruelly beaten for days. It was John of Avila who came to absolve and release the man who would become John of God.

Raised to holiness, John's heart turned with compassion to his fellow incarcerates in the asylum. With a soldier's knowledge of organization and field medicine, he began to shepherd the homeless, the abandoned, and the afflicted of Granada sheltering them and treating their wounds.

He supported orphans, students, harlots, and the unemployed with his own labor, encumbering himself with their pecuniary debts, often suffering accusations and slandered by those he tried to help.

After thirteen years in this way, he died a heroic and saintly death contracting pneumonia while attempting to rescue a drowning companion. He was found in death, kneeling before the crucifix, his face pressed to the wounded feet of Christ.

Saint John of God left the world a small band of valiant hearts. The legends of! the Ord er relate that often on the brink of collapse John of God was revived by the angels. Saint Raphael accompanied him on his rounds, healing and imparting the peace of God to the chaos. To this day the image of the Angelic Physician clothed in the habit of San Juan de Dios can be found in these hospitals.

Murillo, on his canvas in the Prado, depicts Saint John of God as frail, struggling under the weight of the invalid he is carrying, menaced by the encircling dark. The saint is accompanied by a powerful archangel who strengthens him, illuminating his face and his path.
Passing before the humble stone church of San Sebastian, the three religious came upon the young visionaries who told them, without affectation, of the wonders that were happening in the village and of the importance of the October 18 Message. The brothers rested under the nine pines of the apparition eating lunch and enjoying the discussion. Conchita accompanied them but she did not eat. She told them Mass had not been offered in the village that day and the Angel would bring her Holy Communion. Until he arrived she would remain fasting.

The afternoon passed swiftly. At a natural pause in the conversation, Conchita moved discretely away from the group and fell to her knees, head tilted back in ecstasy. As Brother Juan Bosco recorded in his notes,

"Still kneeling and in the same posture, the girl made the Sign of the Cross very slowly and devoutly. She said words in a low voice and gently struck her chest three times. She was praying in ecstasy. As the prayer ended, she opened her mouth, put out her tongue as in receiving Communion, withdrew her tongue and closed her mouth slowly. Two of us heard the slight noise of her swallowing something. She held this position and we heard her low voice, audible, but we could not hear it to sufficiently understand the words."

Then the ec! stasy to ok a decidedly different turn.

"Then the girl took his (Brother Luis) Scapular in her hands. She stood up, raised the Scapular in a very solemn way as though presenting it to someone. She lowered the Scapular and again dropped abruptly to her knees."

Returning the Scapular to Brother Luis, Conchita repeated this gesture for the Scapulars of Brother Juan and Brother Miguel offering each one up reverently. With a concluding Sign of the Cross, the ecstasy ended and Conchita returned to normal with a shy smile.

"Have you had Communion?"

"Why did you take our Scapulars and raise them up?"
"The Angel asked me to do it, to kiss them."

"Have you spoken to the Angel?"

"What did he say to you?"
"The Angel knew you. He told me that Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin are happy with you."

To this exterior sign was added an interior grace for Brother Juan.

"The impression was very great. Particularly, I was stunned and with much interior sentiment of having sinned so many times, and because of this I implored mercy. I have never felt in my life such as strong feeling of the supernatural. Afterwards, as the years passed...this experience has always been present in me. I have great confidence in the love of the Virgin and an accentuated fervor for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. I believe the essence of the grace given to us is our own perseverance in the Order."

Brother Juan returned again in 1966 after the apparitions had ended. He was curious to find out if anything similar had happened. Conchita confirmed "the only thing the Angel had kissed had been our Scapulars."

This leads one to wonder about the significance of this profound display of angelic predilection and solidarity. Conchita is quite clear in stating that the brothers themselves were pleasing to God.Considering over one ! thousand priests and religious attended the apparitions and there exists no other record of acknowledgment by Saint Michael, the singularity of the event appears to lend special importance.

Brother Juan Bosco, in his notes, believed this reciprocated the high esteem given to Saint Raphael in their community. More generally, the gesture conveyed a salute for the work of the Brothers who in their ministry of attendance and healing and their love for the poorest, the most neglected and infirm reflect the virtues of the angels.

Could there be some further explanation?

On July 19, 1936, by decree of the radically secularist government, the Brothers Hospitallers of Saint John of God were declared enemies of the people of Spain. Ninety eight brothers were murdered in the Red Terror. The Soviet backed persecution of the Roman Catholic Church executed six thousand eight hundred thirty two religious, killed tens of thousands of lay faithful in odium fidei, and desecrated and destroyed over twenty thousand holy places.

The sons of San Juan de Dios remained with their patients, faithful to the fourth vow of the Order never to abandon the sick except in death. They made no attempt to flee the coming violence.

Seventy one brothers martyred between July 24 and December 14, 1936 were beatified by Blessed John Paul II including more than forty in Madrid and Barcelona who refused to leave the hospitals and were shot on site. Some were exultant at their execution, commending each other to imminent paradise.Their last words were of forgiveness, pardoning their murderers. All were steadfast.

Could the martyrdom which preceded the apparitions by a quarter century have had an influence on the occurrence of August 6, 1962? It is a wonderful idea to contemplate. At this time, there exists no evidence directly linking the two. Perhaps in the days to come or with the definitive resolution of the Aviso and Great Miracle this extraordinary event may be more completel! y illumi nated.

As we share recollections of the events of fifty years ago we should honor this day, worthy of remembrance for the devotees of Our Lady of Mount Carmel de Garabandal. This day, the Angelic Patron of the Church of Jesus Christ venerated the Scapular of Saint John of God three separate times.

In Union of Prayer,

The Workers of Our Lady of Mount Carmel de Garabandal

Lindenhurst, NY USA

A few small pieces of these same Scapulars kissed by Saint Michael were cast into relic medals in Spain in the 1970s. About 200 were given to the New York Center.

To honor this anniversary, we would like to offer these medals gratis to our email list.

We would like to give priority to religious and lay men and women who work with the sick and dedicated care givers to the handicapped - these requests should include a "+" in the email subject line.

We want to emphasize that no supernatural promise has been made concerning these medals.

We can offer one per request while the supply lasts. Please send an email with BESADO in the subject line to with your complete mailing address, country and postal code.
Old 8th August 2012, 04:12 AM
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Thank you for your great post.
Old 12th December 2012, 08:21 AM
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I hesitated to bring this up due to possibly being banned from the group, however I am compelled.

This all relates to what Mari-Loli has stated about communism making its way back before the warning.

I see this administration quickly moving toward this. Today a top Obama chairman has endorsed China’s style of crony capitalism, saying “state-run communism may not be your cup of tea, but their government works.”

Communism was specifically targeted by the BVM at Fatima and to hear people in the administration praising this EVIL is a huge tell tailed sign of things to come.

So here is what I think will unfold.
I see communism creeping its head and slowly infiltrating out nation, However, given the way things work here, I don't expect this to really take effect for years to come. The seeds were planted a while back and I feel the next 4 years and after that will accelerate the process.

The real interesting thing is that its very very viable that HILLARY will become president in 2016 and there is nothing that can stop her. 4 more years of dependency, voter fraud and no voter ID laws calling for people to vote many times over..etc will ensure another Democratic victory.

I NEVER saw this coming back when Ron originally said that Hillary will be president, but you know something? He just might be right, and 2016 sets us all up perfectly for Good Friday and Lent and Easter and the warnign etc...

Hold on to your seats, its gonna be a bumpy 4 years!

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Old 13th December 2012, 06:25 PM
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Default Obama should Imprison Opposition “Like a Third World Dictator

This is absolutly amazing, and only 1 month after the election, still not yet in Obama's 2nd term.

Its moving FAST people. be prepared.

MSNBC a major network is putting this anti-american crap out there. Harry Belafonte, spewing lies that Obama got elected with a Mandate. obama received 10 million less votes and won by a less margin than last time despite voter fraud. This is a socialist who is a friend of Obama. Keep in mind Obama has nothing to lose in this 2nd term. Please watch these 2 videos.

Belafonte’s Advice to Obama: Imprison Opposition “Like a Third World Dictator

Jamie Fox says its GREAT that I kill all white people in my next movie.
Obamas 1st term was his WHITE term, wait until you see what hes gonna do in the next term, his BLACK term (watch entire video)!watch/433390
Old 13th December 2012, 07:35 PM
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This thread is about the timing of the Warning. Any kind of sensational or exaggerated political remarks will result in deletion of posts.

Update: I've undeleted the above post so that readers can see part of the reason that TheGiftOfLife was banned.
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Old 13th December 2012, 07:40 PM
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It still looks to me like the Warning, Consolation, and Miracle will occur in early 2016: Good Friday, Easter Sunday, and then the vigil of our Lady of Fatima (May 12th).

The main issue is whether the tribulation begins before, or after. Although the case for AFTER is improving as the months pass without a new Pope or the start of a war, I'm still of the opinion that the tribulation begins first.
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Old 14th December 2012, 06:15 AM
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Ron, The Blessed Virgin Mary warned about Communism at Fatima, singled out Russia spreading her ills through out the world. This was because of Russian politics. She also said to Mari-Loli when communism comes back.

How can you try to remove politics out of the equation?

I take EXTREME offense to you for suggesting that I am sensationalizing ANYTHING when our country is heading in an EXTREME direction. Obama and his socialist and factual communist associations are real no matter how much you bury your head in the sand. I DEMAND and apology!

You clearly have an agenda in protecting any connection to him and his socialistic/communistic ideas.

Ban away, you will only be guilty of censorship as I have NEVER challenged Catholic Teaching. I am obedient to the church, not you or the obama administration.

The good people of this forum that email me consistently see the reality here and do not agree with your assessment of me and my factual claims about obama and his communist ties! these are facts!
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