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Old 21st February 2011, 12:33 PM
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Default the social doctrine of the Church

This is the Compenium of the Social Doctrine of the Church.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...tt-soc_en.html

It is very long. Perhaps someone could suggest a more specific topic in this field.
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Old 21st February 2011, 09:41 PM
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Can you talk about the Church being a communal institution, a living community of believers, distinguished from collectivism which the Church clearly opposes?
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Old 21st February 2011, 11:04 PM
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The Church is a family, with God as the Father. So it should not be run like a corporation, or like a nation. It is a community based on love, and on the desire to spread the true Gospel to all humanity.

1883 "Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which "a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good." "

Political socialism can be a valid element of a society. For example, a nation can have social security and other social safety net programs. But it would be wrong for the government or the people to take the attitude that people are cared for in all their needs by the government, not by one another, or the attitude that the government makes all of the decisions for our lives.

1884 "God has not willed to reserve to himself all exercise of power. He entrusts to every creature the functions it is capable of performing, according to the capacities of its own nature. This mode of governance ought to be followed in social life. The way God acts in governing the world, which bears witness to such great regard for human freedom, should inspire the wisdom of those who govern human communities. They should behave as ministers of divine providence."

God gave us freedom, and He expects us to use it, not to delegate it entirely to the Bishops, or to the secular leaders. Personal freedom includes personal responsibility. But this also means that leaders must allow people to exercise that responsibility.

1885 The principle of subsidiarity is opposed to all forms of collectivism. It sets limits for state intervention. It aims at harmonizing the relationships between individuals and societies. It tends toward the establishment of true international order.

Collectivism is not community. Community respects freedom for individuals, families, and small groups -- along with the corresponding responsability. Collectivism centralizes decision making for the whole group, so that individual freedoms and responsibilities are largely taken away.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 02:32 PM
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Default the enemies of God are all about collectivism...

collectivism also makes it easier to herd people into slavery, physical or otherwise.....
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Old 22nd February 2011, 09:35 PM
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I found the clear condemnation of terrorism a nice read, seeing that many noncatholics like to claim the catholic church capitulates to Islamism and muslim extremism which it clearly does not.

513. Terrorism is one of the most brutal forms of violence traumatizing the international community today; it sows hatred, death, and an urge for revenge and reprisal.

514. Terrorism is to be condemned in the most absolute terms. It shows complete contempt for human life and can never be justified, since the human person is always an end and never a means. Acts of terrorism strike at the heart of human dignity and are an offence against all humanity; “there exists, therefore, a right to defend oneself from terrorism”.[1081] However, this right cannot be exercised in the absence of moral and legal norms, because the struggle against terrorists must be carried out with respect for human rights and for the principles of a State ruled by law.

515. It is a profanation and a blasphemy to declare oneself a terrorist in God's name.
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