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Old 13th March 2020, 04:49 PM
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The Coronavirus infects cells with an ACE2 receptor: lungs, heart, kidney, intestines, and the cells that line your blood vessels. This explains explain the multi-organ dysfunction observed in patients. [Zhang Intensive Care Medicine 2020]

This makes the virus much more dangerous than the flu. It has the capability to catalyze massive changes in society.
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Old 13th March 2020, 04:55 PM
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A Real Remedy for the Coronavirus Panic

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Old 15th March 2020, 01:28 PM
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Hey 1975...lets not spread false data..the mortality rate was identified at 3.4% at the most, and the flu is .1%..however all have accepted that the 3.4% death rate is way too high because the number of people tested who were positive do not represent the number of people who have it that would be positive if they were tested, purely by the fact that we are not capable of testing everyone with symptoms..and by no calculation is it 10%, except if you are 80+ or have pre existing conditions

Equation..people who died from CV/ people who tested positive for CV

the more people you test that are positive the lower the %

I think our administration and our private sector business leaders appreciate the importance of containing CV..we want to have results like China and S Korea and bend the curve downward..not like Italy and Iran who let it get out of hand

This will pass in 3- 4 months in the USA , but travel restriction into the USA could continue until the other countries get it under control
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Old 15th March 2020, 01:32 PM
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BTW a GREAT web site ...google Worldometer Coronavirus..it has all the data you would like broken down in many ways
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Old 15th March 2020, 10:50 PM
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I think our administration and our private sector business leaders appreciate the importance of containing CV..we want to have results like China and S Korea and bend the curve downward..not like Italy and Iran who let it get out of hand

This will pass in 3- 4 months in the USA , but travel restriction into the USA could continue until the other countries get it under control

Italy did not get it out of hand, we had the unfortunate situation of having already infected people in our territory very early soon much before flights from China were halted and before any real detection could be made. We were the first country in Europe to close everything and apply drastic measures very soon so much that we were praised by the WHO who recommended other countries to follow our example.

The response from other european countries has been slower, some like the UK decided to simply let the pandemic sweep across the country without any real containment. Others like France, Germany and Spain only responded seriously now but will have a higher toll.

The US however had some cases very early on but ignored them and until very recently your Head of State simply minimized the danger before quickly changing mind. So who is getting it out of hand?

The pandemic will be contained in Italy within two weeks even though we did not have time to prepare for it, you had time to prepare but did not act as quick
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Old 15th March 2020, 11:03 PM
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Ron,

There seems to be two different approaches for this pandemic by various governments. Some are trying to contain the virus by laying out all available tools to save lives regardless of cost. The impact on Italy's health care system and economy will be huge and is one of the countries applying this method.

Some other like the UK are simply letting the virus spread, conscious that many people, especially elderly will die, hoping in some kind of "herd immunity". Some would say that given old people have less years to live anyway it is a portion of society that could be sacrificed instead of the young. Besides this will save a lot of money on cure. I find this reasoning very cynical and immoral, however I can see the point behind it in some way especially when in emergency rooms under triage it is more likely that a younger be saved if no room is avaiable.

From a catholic point of view what would be the best approach in this situation that a government could do and we as individuals could?

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Old 16th March 2020, 03:44 PM
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Rob,

The govt has a moral obligation to protect the lives and health of its citizens. Harm is done by shutting everything down. Harm is done by not doing so. And it is difficult to evaluate the relative benefit versus harm (the third font of morality). I would not assume bad motivation on the part of all decision makers in govt.

Society cannot survive with everything shutdown for very long. So the shutdown will have to end, regardless of the risk, after not too many weeks. Maybe they will have a vaccine or treatment by then. If not, to avoid the collapse of society -- no schools, few jobs, not enough food, etc. -- we will have to take the approach of the UK over that of Italy sooner or later.

I could not decide between the two approaches without more information, such as how far away a vaccine or treatment may be.
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In anguera messages there was a mention of this virus coming...
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In anguera messages there was a mention of this virus coming...


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Old 20th March 2020, 11:46 AM
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I'm not sure if that set of messages is from heaven or not. Be careful what you believe. Researchers say this was not a man-made virus. They can tell from the RNA sequence because splicing genes into RNA or DNA leaves tell-tale markers, which are not found in the coronavirus. So either those messages are false, or they speak of another event in the future, perhaps distant future.
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