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Old 22nd July 2007, 07:24 PM
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THANK YOU! but what about the unbelivers of afterlife?
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Old 22nd July 2007, 08:43 PM
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THANK YOU! but what about the unbelivers of afterlife?

See my article on Mystical Baptism.

Their objective mortal sin of refusing to believe in God might not be an actual mortal sin, so they could still be saved.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 12:54 AM
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God is infinitely merciful, so He accepts even a death-bed repentance. However, those who repent on their death bed, usually have more suffering in Purgatory. In the case of someone who repents wholeheartedly and receives the Sacraments very worthily, when near death, and who therefore goes straight to Heaven, such a person has a lower place in Heaven than someone who repented sooner and was able to do more good works and more prayers and more acts self-denial.

The more good a persons does in their life, the more joy their soul will be able to accept in Heaven.

Are people in heaven aware of the fact that others are "happier" that them and that they are lacking?
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Old 23rd July 2007, 03:21 AM
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Are people in heaven aware of the fact that others are "happier" that them and that they are lacking?

Everyone in Heaven is exceedingly happy.
But one person is like a tea cup overflowing with happiness,
and another is like a bucket overflowing with happiness.

Yes, All the Blessed in Heaven are aware that some in Heaven
are greater than they are, but it does not diminish their happiness,
because they enjoy the happiness of others.

So the least in Heaven find great joy in the greatest in Heaven.
All in Heaven find joy in the greatness of Christ and Mary,
while happily acknowledging that they themselves are less.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 05:25 AM
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Are people in heaven aware of the fact that others are "happier" that them and that they are lacking?

Doesn't this seem to be an "earthly" concern which certainly would not be characteristic of one in Heaven?
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Old 23rd July 2007, 05:28 AM
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God is infinitely merciful, so He accepts even a death-bed repentance. However, those who repent on their death bed, usually have more suffering in Purgatory. In the case of someone who repents wholeheartedly and receives the Sacraments very worthily, when near death, and who therefore goes straight to Heaven, such a person has a lower place in Heaven than someone who repented sooner and was able to do more good works and more prayers and more acts self-denial.

The more good a persons does in their life, the more joy their soul will be able to accept in Heaven.

they say that if God practiced our level of mercy, compassion and forgivenesss, everyone would be in hell. Ironically, I believe that if we practiced His, many more might be in Heaven!
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Old 23rd July 2007, 05:39 AM
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Ron, correct me if Iím wrong.

Since sin entered this world, we all become filthy by it so we have to cleanse ourselves before entering Heaven. That said, in a way, we all have to purge ourselves before entering the Kingdom of God, it can be done so now here on earth or in Purgatory after dieing with unpaid venial sins. Something that all the great Saints and martyrs in Christ have in common is that they all have suffered, many of them were "the last" here on earth, they carried their crosses in the Name of Christ, so many of them did already their purgatory here on this earth so they may have entered straight to Heaven. Even if great sinners, during the last time of their lives, accept Christ during their suffering in sickness or martyrdom, it is like they are purging already here on earth and since it is before they die, they gain more merits than suffering in Purgatory after they die, so they can go straight to Heaven. If their sufferings offered to God werenít enough to pay their sins, then I think they can go to Purgatory but not for too long.

Now, a question here, you said that Purgatory is closer to Heaven than to Hell, that means very close right? This would mean that Purgatory is close to Heaven (closer) and close to Hell too, I said this because of the story of rich man who went to Hell and could see the beggar with Abraham and even talk to them, unless this place was Limbo (place were the Saints of the O.T. dwelt until Jesusí Redemption) and not Purgatory?

Is it possible that souls in Purgatory suffer much due to their great sorrow in offending a God they now realize loves them so much and, likewise, now love more than ever...as opposed to souls in Hell suffering so much due to their great resentment, anguish and hopelessness? I think that souls in Hell cannot love God because that would only cause them even greater sorrow as it would force them to realize the grea absence from God they will feel forever. In other words, damned souls are better off not loving God and probably cannot love anyway while souls in purgatory cannot but help love God even more than when they were on earth. Do I make sense here or am I wrong?
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Old 23rd July 2007, 09:05 AM
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Hi Ron,
If a Soul is destined for a particular 'Level' in Heaven can He/She end up in a lower 'Level' or do they end up in Purgatory untill they are ready to enter Heaven at the 'Level' God intended for them from the Beginning? Im thinking of Souls who were destined to be great saints but who spurned Gods graces and led ordinary (but not bad) lives instead.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 11:39 AM
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Hi Ron,
If a Soul is destined for a particular 'Level' in Heaven can He/She end up in a lower 'Level' or do they end up in Purgatory untill they are ready to enter Heaven at the 'Level' God intended for them from the Beginning? Im thinking of Souls who were destined to be great saints but who spurned Gods graces and led ordinary (but not bad) lives instead.

Such a person who led an ordinary rather than a truly holy life receives a lower place in Heaven.

These so-called levels are not literally different places in Heaven. It is merely that the soul can only accept so much love and joy because it has not developed to a greater degree of holiness.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 11:42 AM
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Is it possible that souls in Purgatory suffer much due to their great sorrow in offending a God they now realize loves them so much and, likewise, now love more than ever...as opposed to souls in Hell suffering so much due to their great resentment, anguish and hopelessness? I think that souls in Hell cannot love God because that would only cause them even greater sorrow as it would force them to realize the grea absence from God they will feel forever. In other words, damned souls are better off not loving God and probably cannot love anyway while souls in purgatory cannot but help love God even more than when they were on earth. Do I make sense here or am I wrong?

Yes, souls in Purgatory suffer because they offended God and they realize how much God loves them.

But souls in Hell no longer sin at all, so they do not have resentment which is sinful. They suffer partly because they realize that God treated them with Love and Mercy, though they did not respond by cooperating with His grace. They cannot truly love God, but they do realize that God loved them immensely; this is part of their suffering.
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