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Old 30th July 2007, 11:55 AM
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Default TS 9a: Christology - the Incarnation

Christology

God became man in Christ Jesus.

The Savior, Jesus, has two natures:
a human nature, which is like us in all things but sin
the Divine Nature of the Second Person of the Trinity

These two natures are united as one Person.

The human nature of Christ is finite.
The Divine Nature of Christ is infinite.
As a result, the human mind of Jesus does not know all things.
But the Divine Mind of Jesus does know all things.

The human nature of Christ receives grace and knowledge
from the Divine Nature of Christ.

There is no mediator or mediatrix between the Divine and human natures of Christ.

The human nature of Jesus Christ is perfect and entirely without sin.
Thus Christ reveals what human nature is truly meant to be.
Christ reveals humanity to humanity.
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Old 30th July 2007, 12:02 PM
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At the Incarnation, God created the soul of the human nature of Christ out of nothing.
God created the beginning of the body of Christ from part of the body of Mary.
God united the Divine Nature to the human nature of Christ.

All three of these events occurred at the same time.

As the human nature of Christ grew, he learned in the usual human way,
but he also learned directly from the Divine Nature.
He had no original sin, and no personal sin.
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Old 30th July 2007, 02:12 PM
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God created the beginning of the body of Christ from part of the body of Mary.

Ron, it’s ok to say that when we are eating the Body of Christ at the Eucharist, we are also eating part of the body of Mary?

This reminds me when Adam said to Eve “this is flesh of my flesh” after God created her from part of his body also.
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Old 30th July 2007, 02:43 PM
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Fr. Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R., had an hour discussion concerning the Eucharist last night on EWTN.

Christ human and Divine nature is one, as well as the Father and Holy Sprit cannot be separated from the Son. When we receive Holy Communion, we receive the Trinity. He also discussed that our Lord’s blood was received totally from our Blessed Mother. I guess in this light, Christ blood is also our Mothers Blood when we receive Holy Communion. An interesting note that they discussed, as a Community in union with Christ, when we receive (worthily) we are united with the saints in heaven.

He also spoke of a “spiritual communion,” especially for non-practicing Catholics and the effects it has on the soul. This broadcast, if interested, is repeated several times during the week – Fr. Benedict Groeschel Live on EWTN.

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Old 30th July 2007, 02:50 PM
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[quote=Ron Conte;11078]At the Incarnation, God created the soul of the human nature of Christ out of nothing.[quote]

Ron,

When you say "out of nothing" does this imply a special way of
God creating a soul for Christ or does God create all souls out of nothing?

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Old 30th July 2007, 03:10 PM
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It is a very serious theological error and an abject heresy
to say that we are receiving the body or the blood of Mary in Communion.

Jesus has the Virgin Mary as his sole immediate ancestor,
so his body (the physical part of his humanity) is created from her body.
But this does not mean at all that his body is her body,
nor does it imply that holy Communion is also the body of Mary.

When the Holy Spirit created the beginning of the body of Christ,
He created it by changing part of the body of Mary into the body of Christ.
So then, it is no longer Mary's body, but Christ's body only.

On the other question:

All human souls are created by God out of nothing.
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Old 30th July 2007, 04:39 PM
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All human souls are created by God out of nothing.

This is based on the theology of creationism? As I understand this, this doctrine has not been defined; however, 5th General Lateran Council indirecly expressed it.

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Old 30th July 2007, 05:01 PM
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wow, those first two posts of this thread are beautiful
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Old 30th July 2007, 05:26 PM
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Default Holy Trinity Analogy

Ron, I have heard the Holy Trinity described as analogous to the solid-liquid-gas forms of water. All three are water, but in different form. Does this analogy work with the Trinity, or is it somehow inaccurate?
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Old 30th July 2007, 05:39 PM
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Thanks for the information Ron.
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