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Old 5th April 2007, 12:21 PM
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A stupid question but how is tradition related to the Sensum Fidelum? If the people of God come up with a new idea is that a good sign its right if the overwhelming majority are thinking that way? A kind of contemporaneous tradition?
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Old 6th April 2007, 01:55 PM
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A stupid question but how is tradition related to the Sensum Fidelum? If the people of God come up with a new idea is that a good sign its right if the overwhelming majority are thinking that way? A kind of contemporaneous tradition?

If the new idea is not implicit in Tradition or Scripture, then it is not a truth of Divine Revelation. The faithful might arrive at a new insight into the Deposit of Faith, but it must always have been at least implicit in the Faith. The Living Tradition is not represented by a new idea that is found in only one generation of the faithful. Successive generations holding to one position definitively to be held as a part of the Faith, this is needed to confirm that an idea is not a novelty, but an expression of Tradition.


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12. The holy people of God shares also in Christ's prophetic office; it spreads abroad a living witness to Him, especially by means of a life of faith and charity and by offering to God a sacrifice of praise, the tribute of lips which give praise to His name.(110) The entire body of the faithful, anointed as they are by the Holy One,(111) cannot err in matters of belief. They manifest this special property by means of the whole peoples' supernatural discernment in matters of faith when "from the Bishops down to the last of the lay faithful" (8*) they show universal agreement in matters of faith and morals. That discernment in matters of faith is aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth. It is exercised under the guidance of the sacred teaching authority, in faithful and respectful obedience to which the people of God accepts that which is not just the word of men but truly the word of God.(112) Through it, the people of God adheres unwaveringly to the faith given once and for all to the saints,(113) penetrates it more deeply with right thinking, and applies it more fully in its life.
Lumen Gentium, n. 12

This passage, in my view, describes the presence of the living Tradition (Sacred Tradition as it is being transmitted and lived by the faithful) within the body of the faithful.

The 'sensus fidelium' is the mind of the faithful. The mind of the faithful is not infallible. If most or nearly all Catholics believe something, it is not thereby established as infallible. Certain things are left to the judgment of individual Catholics. The leaders of the Church do not make every decision for every individual in every situation.

When all the faithful, including the Pope and the Bishops, including successive generations of the faithful, Bishops, and Popes, are in agreement on one teaching of Tradition or Scripture definitively to be held, this is an infallible teaching because it is a very clear expression of a truth taught by Tradition.


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Old 6th April 2007, 05:06 PM
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I think I recall Pope John Paul II saying not too long before he died that there can be nothing novel in Scripture, I guess he was thinking along these lines...
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Old 7th April 2007, 03:43 PM
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Father Yves Congar wrote a book called "THE MEANING OF TRADITION" that sorts out some of these issues. It was published in 1964 by Hawthorn as part of the monumental multi-volume "20th Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism" that was edited by Henri Daniel-Rops. There also are some other volumes in that series that might be pertinent to this subject.
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