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Old 9th April 2007, 01:15 PM
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It is funny you say that. I sometimes hear a homily that I struggle with. The latest, is that the priest spoke about Mary and Jesus, and how Mary taught Jesus how to Love. Right off the bat, it seems completely erroneous, because Jesus is God, and God is Love. Therefore, how can Mary teach Jesus about what he is?

Now if the priest was referring to the human-side of Jesus, would this be wrong or correct?

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Old 9th April 2007, 01:27 PM
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It is funny you say that. I sometimes hear a homily that I struggle with. The latest, is that the priest spoke about Mary and Jesus, and how Mary taught Jesus how to Love. Right off the bat, it seems completely erroneous, because Jesus is God, and God is Love. Therefore, how can Mary teach Jesus about what he is?

Now if the priest was referring to the human-side of Jesus, would this be wrong or correct?

thanks,
jay

The human nature of Christ did learn from the persons around him, but his nature also learned from the Divine Nature directly. Also, we must take into account the fact that Jesus was conceived in his human nature without original sin, so He had sanctifying grace from conception. Sanctifying grace includes the theological virtues of Love, Faith, and Hope. So it is not accurate to say that Mary taught Jesus to love. She did teach him. But in His Divine Nature He is Love, and in his human nature, He had the true virtue of Love from his conception.


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Old 9th April 2007, 02:12 PM
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Old 9th April 2007, 06:20 PM
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Concerning that Mary taught Jesus to love.


He loved her and He respected her and He valued her.
She must have taught Him something about love??????
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Old 9th April 2007, 06:35 PM
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Concerning that Mary taught Jesus to love.


He loved her and He respected her and He valued her.
She must have taught Him something about love??????

In His human nature, Christ learned both from His Divine Nature and from persons around him (i.e. in the usual way that humans learn). So certainly the Christ-Child learned from Mary and Joseph.

However, it is not correct to say that Mary taught Jesus to love, as if He learned love only from her or primarily from her. Jesus is God. Saying that Mary taught Jesus to love places Mary above Him.


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Old 13th May 2007, 12:57 AM
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Ron,

A question on infallibility. Lets say we have an infallible doctrine such as the Immaculate Conception. Even though this is infallibly defined is it possible to dig deeper into the truth of this dogma. Like speculating and learning new insights into the Immaculate Conception that flow from Tradition Scripture or Magisterium?

Sorry for asking so many questions lately and thank you for graciously answering them. These traditional Catholics are really challenging me and my mind is getting messed up. Its good though cause I am actively learning a lot.


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Old 13th May 2007, 12:27 PM
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Yes, obviously there can be further doctrines and dogmas related, even closely related, to whatever has been previously defined.

For example, the dogma of the Assumption did not define whether Mary died and rose first (although this is the ordinary teaching), and did not define her Queenship in Heaven (another ordinary teaching).

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