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Old 20th June 2014, 07:47 PM
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Hi Ron and all,

The following is a case where a Bishop authorized a group of nuns to use a contraceptive means in order to avoid pregnancy when in danger of being raped.

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/2001/01-0...2-01/pag16.htm

The source is in Spanish, but using google translate it says the following:

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The Chairman of the Subcommittee on Family and Life of the Episcopal Conference, Juan Antonio Reig, acknowledged that the local Church authorizes the use of contraceptive pills to missionary nuns at risk of rape in war-torn countries. This is the first time a member of the Catholic hierarchy openly admits that practice.

So what this Bishop (and some other persons involved) have said is that "The Church permits the use of contraceptive instruments to women, as self defense, in case of a great danger of being raped".


However, contraception is intrinsically evil, therefore, the intention and the circumstances cannot make this act to become good.

In dire circumstances like these, it'll remains a sin, contraception will not become good.

If it would be true, then it would be ok for the drug and contraceptive companies to make this kind of products and sell it for women to buy it "in case of rape" situations. But for self-defense, hit the aggressor in the head and run away, and that will be moral. If that cannot be the case, then the sin will be on the aggressor, not on the woman. If the woman does not want the child, she can give the innocent person to charitable institutions that can take care of him/her.

There is a great example of St. Maria Goretti who gave up her life instead of consenting sin.
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Old 20th June 2014, 08:38 PM
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The Roman Catholic Magisterium has never taught that contraceptives -- in this case ABORTIFACIENT contraceptives -- are moral to use, in advance of a possible rape. It is not moral to plan ahead so that you murder an innocent prenatal in case of rape.

As for contraception itself, it is intrinsically evil, just as abortion is intrinsically evil, though abortion is worse.

In the case of the nuns, taking a contraceptive pill IN NO WAY prevents or defends against the rape. They are only trying to avoid the "negative" consequences of having to bear and raise a child.

If a woman is raped and she goes to a Catholic hospital emergency room, it is moral -- depending on the medical circumstances -- to attempt to prevent conception by a contraceptive, as long as the physician can be morally certain that the contraceptive will not act as an abortifacient in this case. The reason that this act of preventing conception is not intrinsically evil contraception is complex. See my new post:

http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2014/0...oral-theology/

Direct abortion and direct sterilization are intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral. However, indirect abortion and indirect sterilization are NOT intrinsically evil, and may be moral in some circumstances. The same can be said for contraception. When it is direct (almost all cases), it is intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral. But if it is indirect, as when contraception is used to interrupt (in moral terms) a rape, it can be moral.
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Got it, thanks for the information Ron.
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This topic rises again due to Pope's comments. Explanation and answer above.
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See my two recent posts on this topic:
Did Pope Paul VI approve of contraception for nuns in the Congo? No!
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Did Pope Francis approve of Contraception in dire circumstances?

Use of mere contraception in cases of rape is indirect, and therefore can be moral. However, abortifacient contraception cannot be used, since abortion directly kills the prenatal -- abortion is not a defense against rape.
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To me, the problem is mentioning the contraception for the nuns in the Congo in connection with the Zika virus, as if to say that contraception could be similarly used to prevent pregnancy because of Zika.
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To me, the problem is mentioning the contraception for the nuns in the Congo in connection with the Zika virus, as if to say that contraception could be similarly used to prevent pregnancy because of Zika.

Yes, that is the main problem with what the Pope said. The women who use contraception in that case would be sexually active women, not celibate nuns. And the use of contraception to prevent pregnancy and subsequent birth defects is direct and therefore intrinsically evil.

It is like the case of a woman with a severe illness, whose life is endangered by the additional stress on her system of a pregnancy. The use of abortion is such a case is direct and therefore always immoral.
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Old 19th February 2016, 10:49 PM
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I can't confirm this, but my husband said that what he read suggested the Pope's remarks were more in reference to avoiding pregnancy generally than to using artificial contraception. In other words, he may simply have been talking about natural family planning.
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It seems that the Vatican has backed Pope Francis' statement, or has interpreted it, to mean that there could be an exception to the rule (which would allow contraception) for the Zika Virus:

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Fr. Lombardi told Vatican Radio today, “The contraceptive or condom, in particular cases of emergency or gravity, could be the object of discernment in a serious case of conscience. This is what the Pope said.”

According to Lombardi, the pope spoke of “the possibility of taking recourse to contraception or condoms in cases of emergency or special situations. He is not saying that this possibility is accepted without discernment, indeed, he said clearly that it can be considered in cases of special urgency.”

Lombardi reiterated the example that Pope Francis made of Pope Paul VI’s supposed “authorization of the use of the pill for the religious who were at very serious risk” of rape. This, said Lombardi, “makes us understand that it is not that it was a normal situation in which this was taken into account.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/br...tives-for-zika

Although it is not possible, I ask Ron, how close are we to heresy? A hairs=breadth?
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It seems that the Vatican has backed Pope Francis' statement, or has interpreted it, to mean that there could be an exception to the rule (which would allow contraception) for the Zika Virus:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/br...tives-for-zika

Although it is not possible, I ask Ron, how close are we to heresy? A hairs=breadth?

That claim -- exception allowing an intrinsically evil act due to dire circumstances -- is an error in a personal opinion. At this point, it seems to be an error in application of doctrine, rather than a statement contradicting an infallible doctrine.

I've known for some time know that many of the leaders of the Church, including more than a few Cardinals and Bishops, are poorly catechized. They have serious holes in their understanding of Church teaching.

Pope Francis is simply not well versed in moral theology, in his personal understanding. It is not heresy, but it is unfortunate. What is also problematic is that people are looking for an excuse to justify contraception, and they will distort these assertions to conclude that they can use contraception whenever the circumstances are difficult.

Humanae Vitae and Veritatis Splendor are clear: contraception is intrinsically evil, and intrinsically evil acts are never justified by intention or circumstances.

This situation is rather like the time that Pope John 22 (not 23) opined that the just souls who enter heaven after death (or after purgatory) do not have the beatific vision until after the general resurrection.
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