CatholicPlanet.Net discussion group  

Go Back   CatholicPlanet.Net discussion group > Catholicism > Apologetics
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #21  
Old 26th April 2012, 10:38 AM
jbbt9 jbbt9 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 559
Default Holy Souls in Purgatory

If that is the case, then, what part of our departed relatives is in Heaven now. Why do we intercede for the Holy Souls in purgatory?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 26th April 2012, 11:43 AM
Ron Conte Ron Conte is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,565
Default

myLivingBread,

I would appreciate it if you would not post other people's attacks on the true Faith, without some refutation on your part. You could harm the souls of readers of this discussion group.
__________________
Ron Conte
Roman Catholic theologian
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 26th April 2012, 11:48 AM
Ron Conte Ron Conte is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,565
Default

{12:7} and the dust returns to its earth, from which it was, and the spirit returns to God, who granted it.

In some passages, spirit means angels; in other passages, it refers to the soul; in still other passages, spirit refers to the quality of life when body and soul are united. In the above verse, we could interpret spirit to mean soul, and the soul returns to God, in the sense of being judged after death.


Job 14:10& 12
"...But man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last And where is he? ...so man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep...."

The body (and we could say also the whole person) does not awaken (in the resurrection) until the general Resurrection when God takes away heaven and earth, and makes a new heaven and a new earth. But the soul remains in Heaven, Purgatory, or Hell -- wherever it was sent after it returned to God to be judged at death.
__________________
Ron Conte
Roman Catholic theologian
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 26th April 2012, 12:49 PM
myLivingBread myLivingBread is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 382
Default

okay Ron thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 26th April 2012, 01:57 PM
Brother Brother is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,751
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by myLivingBread View Post
Yaes Brother but this sect is slightly jehovah - they do not admit that the soul is annihilated during death but dies . Psalms 119:25
My soul cleaves to the dust; Revive me according to Your word.They say- Bible says that it stays with the body even the body turns to ashes.

and the :
Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

When the body dies the soul also dies. But not destroy - for them the soul is dead when it is sent to hell.

Again, the problem with those sects is that they don't interpret the Word of God in light of ALL Sacred Scriptures but tend to pick up a verse here and another there and interpret all of them literally, that is foolish because this way, they'll find what may be apparent "contradictions" in the Bible but in reality is that they had misunderstood the meaning of the message.

It seems as if they don't grasp it that the Word of God was freely written by several persons, with God as the main Author of all the books. Each person had his own style of writing, some wrote in poetic form, others as songs, others as prayers - expressing their feelings at the moment of writing, others in a narrative way, others with historical facts, others in a prophetic form, etc. At the time of writing, each person didn't even know that what they were writing were going to actually become the Word of God for all the peoples of the earth of all generations, and that their writings were going to be infallible.

Now, let's go back to the point regarding the soul leaving the body at the time of death:

[Luke 23]
{23:43} And Jesus said to him, “Amen I say to you, this day you shall be with me in Paradise.”


These words were said by the Messiah Himself and it's clear that the soul of the person immediately leave the body at the moment of death.

This means that, after their death, Jesus' soul left His body to be in Paradise and that the 'good' thief's soul also left his body and went to Paradise to be united with Christ.


John
{19:30} Then Jesus, when he had received the vinegar, said: “It is consummated.” And bowing down his head, he surrendered his spirit.

By this (Luke 23:43) we know that when it's said that "Jesus surrended His spirit", it is talking about His soul for He was in Paradise the same day after His death, for the 'spirit' of a person is no other than his quality of life, or the way how that particular person is or was. For example, "having the 'spirit' of Elijah" means having his same attitude or courage, as his, but it does not literally mean having the "soul" of Elijah for each person is unique.

Since the Bible should be interpreted in light of ALL its content (not literally everywhere), it is the correct interpretation that the word "spirit" in John 19:30 means the soul (the word 'spirit' can also be interpreted as 'angels' in other passages, but here is clear that God is talking about the soul of Jesus).

Interpreting literally every word that is found in the Bible, not understanding its context, will lead people in error, and that's what sects tend to do.

Last edited by Brother : 26th April 2012 at 02:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.