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Old 22nd August 2009, 05:32 AM
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Hmm, okay, thank you all for the explanation.
So it is all related to our emotion...
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Old 22nd August 2009, 11:43 AM
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The virtue of love is not an emotion. There is also an emotion called 'love', but this is not what is referred to by 'God is love'; the Divine Nature of God loves without emotion.

St. Thomas: "An act of love always tends towards two things; to the good that one wills, and to the person for whom one wills it: since to love a person is to wish that person good."

Love is a choice of the free will based on knowledge in the intellect. When we love, we first know the good that is in someone, then we choose that good as if it were our own. We will all that is truly good for that person, just as we will all that is truly good for ourselves. Love unifies all that is good.

Whenever we love what is good in another human person, or in ourselves, we are loving a finite good that is a reflection of the infinite Good who is God.
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Old 22nd August 2009, 02:09 PM
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Hmm, Ron, but God has emotion, hasn't He? In bible sometimes it is stated, "the wrath of God", the flood in OT, etc.
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Old 22nd August 2009, 02:37 PM
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Hmm, Ron, but God has emotion, hasn't He? In bible sometimes it is stated, "the wrath of God", the flood in OT, etc.

No, God does not have any emotion in His Divine Nature. He is unchanging. So wrath of God is a figure of speech.

Jesus has human emotion in His human nature, but not in the Divine Nature.
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Old 22nd August 2009, 03:23 PM
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the Divine Nature of God loves without emotion.

Hmm so how God loves without emotion? Is love one of emotions? If not, then what kind of love that God has?

And the one who has no emotion create a creature who has emotion, rather confusing here..?

Are you sure that God doesn't have a feeling or emotion? and also angels, do angels in heaven have emotion? and then fallen angels, do they have emotion? If not, what drives them(fallen angels) to do bad to us human, it is a vengeance toward God, isn't it? and vengeance is drive by anger which is an emotion. And why fallen angels fall? Isn't it by their sin of pride which is an emotion too?

Hmm Ron, why I go to conclusion that all sin in this world is caused by human emotion?
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Hmm so how God loves without emotion? Is love one of emotions? If not, then what kind of love that God has?

And the one who has no emotion create a creature who has emotion, rather confusing here..?

Are you sure that God doesn't have a feeling or emotion? and also angels, do angels in heaven have emotion? and then fallen angels, do they have emotion? If not, what drives them(fallen angels) to do bad to us human, it is a vengeance toward God, isn't it? and vengeance is drive by anger which is an emotion. And why fallen angels fall? Isn't it by their sin of pride which is an emotion too?

Hmm Ron, why I go to conclusion that all sin in this world is caused by human emotion?

Yes, I am certain that God does not have any emotions in the Divine Nature. The Divine Nature is unchanging, but emotion and feelings imply change. God has no emotions or feelings.

The word love is used to describe an emotion, but this is not what is meant by the virtue of love.

God is love, but not the emotion of love.
The virtue of love is that type of love that is like the Love of God.
The love of God is without emotion.
"Charity, as a virtue, is ... in the will." St. Thomas Summa I. 59. 4.

Angels have no bodies, and emotion is of the body, so angels have no emotions or feelings (also according to St. Thomas)

fallen angels have no emotion; they are driven by the willful choice to do harm to God's plan and God's creatures. If they act out of vengeance (I'm not sure if that is their motive) this is not from emotion, but from a decision to take vengeance.

pride can be understood as an emotion, or as a vice of the will. The pride that is a sin and that leads to sin is a vice of the will, a choice of the free will. Pride as an emotion is not necessarily evil; pride as a choice of the will is sinful.

You are confusing emotion with knowing choices, good and evil, of the free will.
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