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Old 27th September 2017, 11:48 AM
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See my commentary on the Filial Correction here:
https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2017/...al-correction/
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Old 27th September 2017, 12:14 PM
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See my commentary on the Filial Correction here:
https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2017/...al-correction/

Thank you Ron.
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Old 27th September 2017, 12:21 PM
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Thank you Ron. I just wanted to clarify this part: And by t his claim, that the Pope is guilty of teaching material heresy and may be guilty of formal heresy, the signatories reject the teaching of the First Vatican Council, that each Pope has the “gift of truth” and the gift of a “never-failing faith”. The first gift implies that the Pope cannot teach material heresy. The second gift implies that the Pope cannot commit apostasy, heresy, or schism. The signatories are rejecting this teaching of the First Vatican Council.

I thought these gifts apply only when speaking ex-cattedra - and that the Pope is only infallible in such instance - or this is something totally different? Thank

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Old 27th September 2017, 05:22 PM
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...the faithful are required to give the “religious submission of mind and will” to the “to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra” [Lumen Gentium 25].
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Old 28th September 2017, 12:58 PM
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I thought these gifts apply only when speaking excathedra - and that the Pope is only infallible in such instance - or this is something totally different? Thank

Papal infallibility only applies to ex cathedra teachings. The gift of truth and of a never-failing faith is given to the person and office of the Pope so that he can never teach material heresy, not even privately, and can never commit apostasy, heresy, or schism at all.

https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2014/...es-and-heresy/
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Old 8th October 2017, 05:33 PM
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Thank you Ron, this is most helpful. I appreciate your ability to teach and explain this matter in a way that I cannot. My heart has been troubling me through all of this, but I know it is also a sign of our times. With the help of God's grace we(the church) shall stay the course.
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