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Old 14th December 2010, 12:49 PM
Ron Conte Ron Conte is offline
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Originally Posted by garabandalg View Post
Perhaps animals go to Heaven not on their own merit, but as gifts for us to enjoy and use. Were there not animals in The Garden of Eden? They did not merit being there, but were there to serve us and to be enjoyed by us. Just a thought.

Heaven does not have material objects generally (except the bodies of Jesus and Mary). There are no plants or animals or food for animals to eat. Animals cannot be present in Heaven in body. There is simply no support at all in Tradition or Scripture or Magisterium for this idea that animals go to Heaven. And Catholic teaching is that lower animals do not have immortal souls.

It is certainly possible that when God creates a new Heaven and a new earth, that He recreates any pets that the resurrected just would like to have, making them much the same as the pets that died previously. You argument about the Garden of Eden can be applied to the new earth. But Heaven is not like the Garden of Eden; Heaven is a spiritual place, not a material place.
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Old 14th December 2010, 08:40 PM
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Default My two cents...

This earth became corrupted since Original Sin, so if Adam and Eve wouldn’t have sinned, it is most likely that this earth would have remained incorruptible and; therefore, animals and plans of this earth would not have to die either. This world was created for us, humans to enjoy and we corrupted it because of sin.

Since Adam and Eve did sinned, this earth became corrupted and it is temporary only. Everything became corrupted and mortal after the original sin (except Jesus and Mary who do not carry original sin) so all will come to an end except for our souls, human souls. Our souls are immortal because we are created in the Image of God, our bodies will have to die but only for a time to be reunited with our souls. Jesus Christ came to this world to defeat death and save humanity from Hell. People who go to Hell are the ones who reject God.

We will resurrect one day because we have immortal souls and our souls will be 'temporarily' waiting for our bodies to be united again.

Pets are good company for people and are God’s given company to humanity to help us in this life in different ways; but the happiness pet brings to some persons do not come from themselves, but from God through the pets. The love of God to us can also be seen through a creature.

Animals do not have immortal souls, so when a lion dies, that lion has reached its end, that same lion will not resurrect. When a kangaroo dies, this same kangaroo will not resurrect to go to Heaven because animals do not have immortal souls. The same thing happens with a mouse and all animals. If some animals have good relationship with men (dog, cat, mouse, bird, etc.), they will not resurrect because of that, they just have fulfilled God’s will because animals do not have free will. If you see a dog loving you, it is God loving you, it is God blessing you, that’s why pets are blessed as well.

God have created some creatures for our company such as pets, and other creatures as punishment for our sins such as bugs, insects or viruses – as Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich explains.

In a related matter, the attraction of a man with with a woman is ordered by God because if there were not this attraction, humanity would have remained in Adam and Eve only and there would have never been descendants. But this specific sort of attraction will not continue in Heaven because there will not be marriage in Heaven, but we’ll be like the Angels. Even though our parents will continue be our parents, our spouse will be the person who 'was our spouse' on this earth because we'll remember the things we did here on this earth (but will not be attached or attracted to each other in the same manner as here on this earth) and our children will continue be our children, just as Mary and Joseph continue to be the parents of Jesus in Heaven, and St. Anne continues to be Jesus’ grandmother.

Similarly, the particular type of attraction between men and our pets from this earth experienced here will cease to exist in Heaven because we’ll have the Beatific Vision that is plenty enough to fill us up with happiness or joy and we’ll have no desire of other thing but God, any other creature are just addition s from His goodness and love, nothing more. All the emptiness we have sometimes on this earth will be completely gone.

If it is God’s will, He can surely recreate a pet from this earth, to satisfy a given request from a person for the new Earth, if this is the case, but again, having the Beatific Vision is plenty enough of happiness for each individual in Heaven. The happiest moment of our lives here on this earth is nothing compared with the happiness we’ll experience in Heaven.

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Old 15th December 2010, 04:51 AM
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St. Francis of Assisi Francis had much love for animals with special fondness for the birds. He liked to refer to animals as his brothers and sisters.

Here is his Sermon to the Birds

My little sisters, the birds, much bounden are ye unto God, your Creator, and always in every place ought ye to praise Him, for that He hath given you liberty to fly about everywhere, and hath also given you double and triple rainment; moreover He preserved your seed in the ark of Noah, that your race might not perish out of the world; still more are ye beholden to Him for the element of the air which He hath appointed for you; beyond all this, ye sow not, neither do you reap; and God feedeth you, and giveth you the streams and fountains for your drink; the mountains and valleys for your refuge and the high trees whereon to make your nests; and because ye know not how to spin or sow, God clotheth you, you and your children; wherefore your Creator loveth you much, seeing that He hath bestowed on you so many benefits; and therefore, my little sisters, beware of the sin of ingratitude, and study always to give praises unto God.

Saint Francis of Assisi - c1220

Here are some reminders from Scripture on animals.

{12:7} In truth, ask the mules, and they will teach you, and the birds of the sky, and they will reveal to you.
{12:8} Speak with the earth, and it will respond to you, and the fish of the sea will explain.
{12:9} Who is ignorant that the hand of the Lord has made all these things?
{12:10} In his hand is the soul of all the living and the spirit of all the flesh of mankind.

{9:9} “Behold, I will establish my covenant with you, and with your offspring after you,
{9:10} and with every living soul that is with you: as much with the birds as with the cattle and all the animals of the earth that have gone forth from the ark, and with all the wild beasts of the earth.

{67:10} You will set aside for your inheritance, O God, a willing rain. And though it was weak, truly, you have made it perfect.
{67:11} Your animals will dwell in it. O God, in your sweetness, you have provided for the poor.

{3:17} And I said in my heart: “God will judge the just and the impious, and then the time for each matter shall be.”
{3:18} I said in my heart, about the sons of men, that God would test them, and reveal them to be like wild animals.
{3:19} For this reason, the passing away of man and of beasts is one, and the condition of both is equal. For as a man dies, so also do they die. All things breathe similarly, and man has nothing more than beast; for all these are subject to vanity.
{3:20} And all things continue on to one place; for from the earth they were made, and unto the earth they shall return together.
{3:21} Who knows if the spirit of the sons of Adam ascend upward, and if the spirit of the beasts descend downward?

{6:26} Consider the birds of the air, how they neither sow, nor reap, nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of much greater value than they are?

{19:17} And I saw a certain Angel, standing in the sun. And he cried out with a great voice, saying to all the birds that were flying through the midst of the sky, “Come and gather together for the great supper of God,
{19:18} so that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of tribunes, and the flesh of the strong, and the flesh of horses and those sitting on them, and the flesh of all: free and servant, small and great.”
While awaiting these things, be diligent, so that you may be found to be immaculate and unassailable before him, in peace. 2 Peter 3:14

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Old 15th December 2010, 12:16 PM
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There is no teaching in TSM on which we might base a claim that animals have immortal souls. Animals do not have a rational soul. And the rational soul is the basis for the immortality of human persons.

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