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Old 20th October 2009, 10:45 PM
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Some commotion has been happening here recently with various alleged phenomena regarding Our Lady, including an alleged miracle of the sun at Knock last Sunday week.

Have a look at this article, and then read the letter below. Puts it all into perspective.

http://www.spiritdaily.com/irishoutbreak.htm


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http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?opt...0&Ite mid=40#
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Old 21st October 2009, 08:26 AM
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Excellent letter Shane, to the newspaper editor by that South Mayo resident.
I can certainly relate to it, having been to a 3pm healing mass at Knock myself.

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Old 30th October 2009, 03:30 AM
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Unfortunately, it's becoming all too clear at this point that the latest spate of 'apparitions' at Knock are false. This latest 'message' is riddled with errors (no prizes for spotting them):

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...257549789.html

It is worrying because people may remember Knock for these fraudulent apparitions than for the true 1879 apparition. The Archbishop of Tuam has issued a statement refuting the apparitions, but this is being ignored. I hope it is cleared up before the Warning and Miracle.


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Old 30th October 2009, 04:43 AM
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If thousands were there witnessing this, I thought that someone might have videoed it and put it on you tube.

I was correct. There are 3 postings and nothing that I see to be even remotely strange other than a child screaming relentlessly


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Old 30th October 2009, 05:51 AM
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I've removed the links to the YouTube videos on the claimed extraordinary phenomena at Knock. In my opinion, Shane is correct that the apparitions of Mary at Knock in 1879 are true, but the recent phenomena are false. This kind of 'lights and clouds' phenomena is associated with many of the false private revelations that I've reviewed. Do not be led astray by videos of lights in the sky, as this type of 'sign' can easily be caused by fallen angels.

I've added Joe Coleman to my list of false private revelations.
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Old 30th October 2009, 07:09 AM
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Sure Ron, whatever you think is best, but that was my point, that there was nothing in the videos.

But since you mentioned it. There are many videos of the sun spinning like a dinner plate on its side and flashing at Medjugorje and Garabandal exactly the way it was described at Fatima in The Miracle of the Sun. I quote, ":... the sun was spinning in the sku like a disc...(fatima 1917). Why would God perform a Miracle that can so easily be duplicated by fallen angels. I would like to know more about how you derive the critera as to what a Fallen Angel can and cannot do.
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Old 30th October 2009, 10:24 AM
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Sure Ron, whatever you think is best, but that was my point, that there was nothing in the videos.

But since you mentioned it. There are many videos of the sun spinning like a dinner plate on its side and flashing at Medjugorje and Garabandal exactly the way it was described at Fatima in The Miracle of the Sun. I quote, ":... the sun was spinning in the sku like a disc...(fatima 1917). Why would God perform a Miracle that can so easily be duplicated by fallen angels. I would like to know more about how you derive the critera as to what a Fallen Angel can and cannot do.

Good question. And to focus it more, I would like to add this question, how we can differentiate an extraordinary(a lesser miracle, since Ron said that miracles is only can be done by God alone) things is caused by holy angel or fallen angel? Since God sometimes also permit fallen angel to do extraordinary things, so how we can differentiate it?

And how we can know if a miracle happen? For example, like when Moses split the sea, is that a miracle? or that was just an extraordinary things that angels and fallen angels can do? How we can categorize something extraordinary, unnatural things into a miracle?
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Old 30th October 2009, 12:15 PM
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true miracles are supernatural, they are performed by God beyond what is natural (creation).

false miracles are preternatural, they are performed by fallen angels using their natural abilities; they deceive human persons into thinking that a miracle is occuring

some false miracles are performed by human persons using deception

[Matthew]
{24:24} For there will arise false Christs and false prophets. And they will produce great signs and wonders, so much so as to lead into error even the elect (if this could be).
{24:25} Behold, I have warned you beforehand.

This article explains false signs from fallen angels:
http://www.catholicplanet.com/appari...evelations.htm

Fallen angels can deceive some people into believing almost anything. God is not required to omit acts that fall into the category of miracles that can be imitated by fallen angels. Why should He do less for us than He wishes?

True private revelation becomes clear through the doctrine being taught, not through the signs and wonders. We can distinguish true miracles from false by doctrine, not by the signs themselves.

When Moses split the sea, that was actually God splitting the sea. Perhaps fallen angels could do something similar. When Moses gave signs to Pharoah, his magicians could imitate some of those miracles. But we know that Moses was giving true signs by doctrine, such as the Ten Commandments given to Moses.
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Old 30th October 2009, 01:40 PM
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Woah..., what a huge article.., but the end part is good.

Quote:
[Galatians]
{1:6} I wonder that you have been so quickly transferred, from him who called you into the grace of Christ, over to another gospel.
{1:7} For there is no other, except that there are some persons who disturb you and who want to overturn the Gospel of Christ.

Thanks Ron.
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Old 30th October 2009, 04:20 PM
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Thank you Ron for your important service to the faithful regarding this issue.
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