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Old 28th May 2007, 07:25 AM
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Is it a sin for a person who whips himself for religious belief or for penance?

This has become traditional practice only in our province every Holy week,
They even let themselves be crucified on Good Friday.
while the other faithful celebrate the Holy Week , singing the passion of Christ
without ceasing from Holy Monday to Good Friday.
The church try to stop this tradition but to no avail. It was handed from generation to generation.

I ask one the crucified penitent, why do they do it.

He said " So that the World would remember that there is a Lord who was
crucified because of our sin."

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Old 28th May 2007, 11:43 AM
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Other then Godís will and order of things, is there speculation on why the devil must be released for a brief time?

Cecil

I don't know. Perhaps it is to test the people of that time. They will have lived in a world of great faith and holiness and knowledge of God. And yet some of them will nevertheless have rejected what is good to choose evil.
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Old 28th May 2007, 11:46 AM
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Is it a sin for a person who whips himself for religious belief or for penance?

This has become traditional practice only in our province every Holy week,
They even let themselves be crucified on Good Friday.
while the other faithful celebrate the Holy Week , singing the passion of Christ
without ceasing from Holy Monday to Good Friday.
The church try to stop this tradition but to no avail. It was handed from generation to generation.

I ask one the crucified penitent, why do they do it.

He said " So that the World would remember that there is a Lord who was
crucified because of our sin."

It is a sin for these persons to crucify themselves. They are mistakenly believing that external pain is sufficient to obtain grace. The bad thief who was crucified next to Jesus still went to Hell. So even being crucified next to Jesus will not save a person if they do not have faith and love and hope in their hearts.

It seems to me that excessive focus on externals rather than internals is harmful to our path to salvation.
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Old 28th May 2007, 12:45 PM
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It is a sin for these persons to crucify themselves. They are mistakenly believing that external pain is sufficient to obtain grace. The bad thief who was crucified next to Jesus still went to Hell. So even being crucified next to Jesus will not save a person if they do not have faith and love and hope in their hearts.

It seems to me that excessive focus on externals rather than internals is harmful to our path to salvation.

I agree with you Ron,I think it is better for them to try the Stations of the Cross share with suffering of Christ thru meditations and prayers. Also they lack knowledge about Catholic teachings.
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Old 29th May 2007, 02:45 PM
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Ron, must we still spend some time in Purgatory for the mortal sins we have committed,
but that have been absolved by a priest in the confessional?

Only if you have not found remission for the temporal punishment due for those sins. One can obtain such remission through prayer, self-denial, works of mercy, or indulgences, or the feast of Divine Mercy.

Ron,

Do people who commits objective mortal sin but not actual mortal sin, must pass
through purgatory, to receive sanctifying grace?
Can they go straight to Heaven?
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Old 29th May 2007, 10:11 PM
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Do people who commits objective mortal sin but not actual mortal sin, must pass
through purgatory, to receive sanctifying grace?
Can they go straight to Heaven?

When someone commits an objective mortal sin, but not an actual mortal sin, they do not lose sanctifying grace.

There is still some actual venial sin, even in an objective mortal sin which is not an actual mortal sin. So, again, one goes to Purgatory only if one has not atoned for the punishment due by means of prayer, self-denial, works of mercy, indulgences, etc.

It is possible for anyone who dies in a state of grace and who has atoned for their sins to go straight to heaven, especially if they are very contrite and atone for the punishment due by the devout reception of the Sacraments at the hour of death.
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