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Old 31st January 2020, 10:33 PM
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Default Leaked Post Amazon Synod Apostolic Exhortation Draft

Looks like it's coming, more priestly ordination of married men in the West and ordination of women to the deaconate:

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In addition to advocating the priestly ordination of married men, the synod's final document called for women to be considered for diaconal ordination.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...-a-draft-56220
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Old 1st February 2020, 02:04 AM
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"In addition to advocating the priestly ordination of married men, the synod's final document called for women to be considered for diaconal ordination."


Of course we will have to wait for the final document, but what this probably means is that Pope Francis is basically in favor of women deacons and wants this topic to be taken up by the whole church.

Very interesting and exciting at the same time. Can't wait until the actual document is published!
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Old 3rd February 2020, 03:31 PM
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Since it is already infallibly taught that the Church does not have authority to ordain women to the priesthood, perhaps Pope Francis will use Papal infallibility in order to declare that the Church does have authority to ordain women to the deaconate using a similar language as Pope St. JP2 in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.


Something like: Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has authority to confer diaconal ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.

If that happens, from then on this question is closed.
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Thanks. Well said. If he does not use Papal Infallibility, at first, the uproar from his critics might cause him to use it subsequently. Or he might anticipate great resistance, and use it first.
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Old 8th February 2020, 03:27 AM
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The Post Synodal Document will be released on February 12.

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It also looks like the final text doesn’t have substantial changes as compared to the draft. According to the following report, no substantial chances were made to the text after submitted to the CDF:

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America has learned that Pope Francis finished writing the text on Dec. 27, and—as is the normal praxis—the text was then submitted to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the papal theologian for their opinion. No substantial changes were made to the text, and it was subsequently sent for translation, which is a long process.

https://www.americamagazine.org/fait...shed-next-week
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The final document, The Beloved Amazonia, is now available at the Vatican website.

-Pope Francis corrects those who think that acts of idolatry were performed at the Vatican gardens #'s 78 & 79. Those figures were not idols but indigenous symbols.

"It is possible to take up an indigenous symbol in some way, without necessarily considering it as idolatry."

-Pope Francis has opened the possibility of an Amazonian rite # 82, footnote # 120.

"It means that we can take up into the liturgy many elements proper to the experience of indigenous peoples in their contact with nature, and respect native forms of expression in song, dance, rituals, gestures and symbols."

-This Exhortation does not call for married priests at the Amazon region (at least explicitly) # 90, though the Pope urges:

"priestly formation be thoroughly revised, so that priests can acquire the attitudes and abilities demanded by dialogue with Amazonian cultures."

-This Exhortation calls for a better positions of the role of women in the Church (also, specifically in the Amazon region), but does not call for ordination to women to the deaconate. However, the Pope does not close the question with a dogmatic teaching. #'s 100 - 103.

"Such a reductionism would lead us to believe that women would be granted a greater status and participation in the Church only if they were admitted to Holy Orders. But that approach would in fact narrow our vision; it would lead us to clericalize women, diminish the great value of what they have already accomplished, and subtly make their indispensable contribution less effective."

Note the bold part. This is a decision of the prudential order, not a dogmatic teaching. The Pope anticipates that bad consequences can outweigh the good ones, so the approach of greater status of women in the Church "only" if they are admitted to Holy Orders is not favorable. The Pope is using prudence. The Pope says that, due to such anticipated consequences, this is not the way to go for women; however, he does not teach that it cannot be done at all. He does not teach that the Church does not have authority to ordain women to the deaconate. Therefore, the question remains open. God knows IF it would be necessary in the future.
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