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Old 17th July 2014, 03:43 PM
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Default Studying the Shroud of Turin:

Carbon-14 dating is good and more accurate to measure steady things such as the age of fossils, rocks, mummies in their original tombs, etc. up to 50,000 years; but, it becomes harder to measure the things that have been manipulated various times, from time to time, after its original resting place. It is also difficult to Carbon-14 date things that have been subject to various climatic changes in different places, or if the item have been subject to fires, and all of these are the case of the Shroud of Turin (The Shroud suffered several burnings during medieval times).


http://science.howstuffworks.com/env.../carbon-14.htm

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There are some difficulties with carbon dating. For example, nuclear tests or unusual solar weather can change the rate of production:

http://www.askamathematician.com/201...n-dead-things/


The Holy Shroud has suffered a portion of fires, or change of locations that have altered its Carbon-14, that’s why the date that some analyst have given as if it is from the “1200s or 1300s” in 1988 is invalid.


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Many experts have stood by a 1988 carbon-14 dating of scraps of the cloth carried out by labs in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona that dated it from 1260 to 1390, which, of course, would rule out its used during the time of Christ.

The new test, by scientists at the University of Padua in northern Italy, used the same fibers from the 1988 tests but disputes the findings. The new examination dates the shroud to between 300 BC and 400 AD, which would put it in the era of Christ.

It determined that the earlier results may have been skewed by contamination from fibers used to repair the cloth when it was damaged by fire in the Middle Ages, the British newspaper reported. The cloth has been kept at the cathedral since 1578.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...splay/2038295/

Also, The Shroud is not a “painting” as some people claim, evidence and scientific studies that have been made to the Shroud by renown experts (shown below and on the HC video), gives me the conclusion to believe that the image was caused by a miraculous radioactive fire or rays which emanated from Jesus’ body, perhaps at a fraction of a second, at the moment of His resurrection. Looked under the microscope, there is no paint between the threads, the fabric is slightly burned and those burnings formed the image, making it like a photo-effect on the Shroud, now these burnings are not usual burnings found on here earth, that’s why it is difficult to find out what it is, but, in reality, it was a miraculous type of burning. It was a miraculous type of fire or light. Once again, the cause that formed Jesus’ image on the Shroud of Turin is radioactive fire or rays which emanated from Jesus’ body at the moment of His resurrection. The image itself is proof of His resurrection, there is no other image on a burial cloth that have ever been formed by fire, and what’s more, that shows these types of unprecedented burnings to form an image, in the history of human kind, not other dead body has ever done it, this to me confirms the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The fires that formed the image did not destroyed the fabric because it is unparalleled, perhaps this occurred at hundredths of a second. The burnings that form the image are unusual and extraordinary. Now, of course that not all on the image are these types of burns, there are also blood samples from Christ’s lacerations all over His body which obviously marked the cloth as well.

Scientific researchers such as J. Jackson, G. Fanti, T. Trenn, T. Phillips, J.-B. Rinaudo among others have testified that there are not “paint” samples on the image, and that this claim must be cast-off.

Here is an interesting documentary by History Channel on the real face of Jesus using the Shroud of Turin which I highly recommend to all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE

The life-like image was made by taking the image of the Turin Shroud and transforming it onto a 3D form to compose and inspire a CGI image of a detailed face.
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Old 18th July 2014, 01:43 PM
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Here is an interesting documentary by History Channel on the real face of Jesus using the Shroud of Turin which I highly recommend to all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE

The life-like image was made by taking the image of the Turin Shroud and transforming it onto a 3D form to compose and inspire a CGI image of a detailed face.[/quote]

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thanks for the link.
a great film - the best I have seen on the subject
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Old 18th July 2014, 02:21 PM
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Here is an interesting documentary by History Channel on the real face of Jesus using the Shroud of Turin which I highly recommend to all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE

The life-like image was made by taking the image of the Turin Shroud and transforming it onto a 3D form to compose and inspire a CGI image of a detailed face.

Brother
thanks for the link.
a great film - the best I have seen on the subject

You're welcome Jbbt9.
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Default The Sudarium of Oviedo

The Sudarium of Oviedo is the cloth, a small cloth about 33 x 21 inches, that was used by Christ’s closed ones to cover His face when He was taken down from the cross until He was covered with a long burial fabric which is what we now know as the Shroud of Turin.

This Sudarium has the same blood type as the Shroud, AB(+), both have pollen samples of certain species, one of those is the thorn bush Gundelia tournefortii, which is home-grown to the Mideast (and it’s known to harvest during Passover time), and not only that, the remarkable thing is that the blood stains, or blood marks locations of the Sudarium matches perfectly with the face shown on the Shroud, though there is no image imprinted on the small cloth.

Now, the Sudarium is bloodier on the part that covered Jesus’ face than the Shroud because His body, and, more specifically, His face area, was cleaned up by His loved ones (His and our Mother, also St. Mary Magdalene was there) after the Sudarium was removed from His head, and before He was covered up by the Shroud for burial.

Notice that this Sudarium was also carbon-14 dated, and the results showed as if it is from around 700 AD, remarkably older as the results shown in 1988 about the Shroud which stated that it was from around the 1260s – 1390s AD despite the fact that there is clear evidence that both cloths covered the same Man at almost the same time, thus, making it from the same time period. How can this discrepancy be? It is because carbon-14 measurement is not accurate on objects that have been manipulated, moved, overexposed to different environments, or weathers, from time to time after it’s original resting place, these factors alters the carbon-14 on the subject item.

Like the Shroud, the Sudarium of Oviedo also traveled different environments and places from its original place, Jerusalem, (though it did not suffered burnings) until it was finally established in Spain by King Alfonso II of Asturias in 840 AD, so the carbon-14 date shows the latest resting place, latest environment, or latest less manipulative time of the object.

To me, both the Shroud and the Sudarium are authentic and both covered the precious body and have the most precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Both were handled by our most loving Virgin and Mother Mary, by St. Mary Magdalene, by St. Peter, St. John among other saintly people (John 20:1 – 8 ).
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Interesting article about the skeptic Jewish scientist who became a believer:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...f-turin-19617/
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New research indicates that the Shroud of Turin shows signs of blood from a torture victim, and undermines arguments that the reputed burial of Jesus was painted.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...-victim-60579/
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The Real Face of Jesus documentary by the History Channel which was posted in a link above is no longer available. Here is a new link:

https://vimeo.com/47220836

The documentary is available on dvd and can be purchased online at Amazon or other sites.

As posted above, I really recommend this documentary for anyone interested, it shows scientific proof that this Shroud is beyond human capabilities and it is indeed of a Man who was brutally tortured just like the Gospels tells us.
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