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Old 16th May 2010, 01:25 PM
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A nun and administrator at a Catholic hospital in Phoenix was reassigned and rebuked by the Bishop for approving of a direct abortion to save the life of a pregnant woman. More disturbingly, the ethics committee of the hospital and the hospital vice president approved of the direct abortion.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/15...est=latestnews

The Bishop of the diocese had this to say:
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"I am gravely concerned by the fact that an abortion was performed several months ago in a Catholic hospital in this diocese," Olmsted said in a statement sent to The Arizona Republic. "I am further concerned by the hospital's statement that the termination of a human life was necessary to treat the mother's underlying medical condition.

"An unborn child is not a disease. While medical professionals should certainly try to save a pregnant mother's life, the means by which they do it can never be by directly killing her unborn child. The end does not justify the means."

Olmsted added that if a Catholic "formally cooperates" in an abortion, he or she is automatically excommunicated.

Direct abortion, even for the purpose of saving the life of the mother is intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral.

Indirect abortion refers to the medical treatment of a disease, such as cancer, which hs the unintended consequence of the death of the prenatal. Indirect abortion is sometimes moral.
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Old 19th May 2010, 08:59 PM
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here is a good statement from the Catholic Physician's Guild supporting the Bishop's decision and affirming that abortion is never justified by circumstances, or by intended end.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...edlets192.html

"An action which is in and of itself wrong ... is never justified by circumstances or intended end."

"A medical procedure, where the direct intention is the termination of pregnancy, is an abortion."

This second quote would be better phrased as: "an intentionally-chosen act that is inherently ordered toward the killing of a prenatal is a direct abortion" and is therefore always gravely immoral. Intrinsically evil acts are always intentionally chosen, but the intended end may differ from the moral object (the end toward which the act is inherently directed).
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Old 22nd December 2010, 04:26 PM
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Here is the USCCB statement from the Committee on Doctrine condemning direct abortion, and distinguishing it from indirect abortion:
http://www.usccb.org/doctrine/direct...2010-06-23.pdf (PDF)

And here is the statement from the Bishop of Phoenix condemning the hospital in question for performing direct abortions in cases of rape, incest, and where the life of the mother is in danger, for performing direct sterilizations, and for distributing contraception.
http://www.arizonacatholic.org/wp-co...ENT-122110.pdf (PDF)

The document lists these three reasons for stating that the hospital is no longer Catholic and may no longer call itself Catholic:

• Contraceptive counseling, medications, supplies and associated medical and laboratory examinations, including, but not limited to, oral and injectable contraceptives, intrauterine devices, diaphragms, condoms, foams and suppositories;

• Voluntary sterilization (male and female); and

• Abortions due to the mental or physical health of the mother or when the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest.

Notice that both abortifacient contraception and mere contraception is condemned, and without regard to whether or not the patients were married or single, Catholic or non-Catholic. It is never moral to commit an intrinsically evil act, nor to formally cooperate with an intrinsically evil act.

Also, it is commonly said in secular society, esp. among politicians, that abortion should be permitted in cases or rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother. To the contrary, Catholic teaching states that all direct abortion is gravely immoral.
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Old 22nd December 2010, 11:37 PM
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Also, it is commonly said in secular society, esp. among politicians, that abortion should be permitted in cases or rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother. To the contrary, Catholic teaching states that all direct abortion is gravely immoral.

It is on this point above that politicians here in Ireland are attempting to introduce legislation on abortion, as only last week a case that went to the European Court was upheld regarding a woman who objected to not being allowed an abortion in Ireland.
I have not yet heard even one politician speak out against this, but in effect, the opposite has happened. When Cardinal Brady spoke out against abortion in the wake of last week's court judgement, he was rebuked, almost childishly, by a certain politician:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...dy-139860.html

It is truly frightening that there are many men and women in government who have absolutely no regard for morality or ethics, and not even for a mere mention of faith or religion in the public forum. The most shocking thing is, this judgement from Brussels came from the European Court of human rights. If abortion is thus classed as a human right, then clearly a sense of sin has been greatly lost.


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Old 24th December 2010, 02:16 PM
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This article from Catholic News Agency has a good and concise explanation from two OB/GYN physicians who also advise the Phoenix diocese on ethics about the Phoenix abortion case:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...abortion-case/

However, two obstetrician-gynecologists from the Diocese of Phoenix's Medical Ethics Department said Sr. Keehan was misrepresenting both the facts of the St. Joseph's Hospital case, and the ethical principles of Catholic health care.

According to those principles, doctors may perform a necessary and non-abortive medical procedure in order to treat a serious illness, even if it has the secondary effect of harming or killing an unborn child. However, the pregnancy itself can never be regarded as an “disease,” nor may a doctor perform an abortion as a means of treating a different condition.

“It goes back to the basic issue that you can never do an evil, to achieve a good,” Dr. William Chavira told CNA on Dec. 22. “The act is inherently evil.”
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