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Old 7th October 2006, 01:35 AM
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The latest news reports now say that the document might be from the theological commission, not directly from the Pope. They are also now saying that it may be a while before it is issued.


http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=46911


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Old 7th October 2006, 12:47 PM
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Many Catholics are now claiming that limbo was never a teaching of the Magisterium, but only a theological opinion. This claim is not true. They want to support their erroneous idea that the Magisterium can never err. To do so, they must reduce the number of things that the Magisterium teaches, removing from individual Bishops, and non-general Councils and Synods, and local Bishops' conferences the ability to exercise the ordinary Magisterium.

Now it is true that limbo was never taught infallibly, but it has been the ordinary teaching of the Magisterium.

There is no solemn definition by any Pope.

No general Council ever taught the doctrine in a solemn definition.

And the idea has not been taught universally by the ordinary Magisterium, for there have been conflicting ideas among the Saints and Doctors and Bishops of the Church, ideas that cannot be reconciled with one another. Some taught that the limbo of infants is a part of Hell, but with less punishment.

However, the idea certainly has been taught by the Magisterium.

Pope Pius VIís Apostolic Constitution Auctorem fidei condemns the rejection of the idea of the limbo of children as a part of Hell. In other words, he asserts that limbo of children is a part of Hell. He also rejects the teaching of limbo as an intermediate place between Heaven and Hell, i.e. a place without punishment and without the Beatific Vision.

Certainly the teachings of the ordinary Magisterium are reformable and are subject to the possibility of error (but not to the extent that the errors might lead one away from the path of salvation).

Their are other references to limbo of children in Magisterial documents.

This denial that the Magisterium has never taught any doctrine which is subsequently reformed or rejected is a denial that the Magisterium can err, and that latter denial is heretical.


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Old 12th October 2006, 03:20 AM
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God's mercy and the criminal acknowledgement of Jesus, IMHO, without baptism or time spent in purgatory, received the criminal into Paradise on Good Friday. Many Saints speak of different levels of heaven, powers, duties, and God's Blessings. Would it not be a greater world today if the only sins ever commited on earth were the failure of baptism.
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Old 12th October 2006, 11:46 AM
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The good thief on the cross had a kind of mystical baptism.

Today, many adults in the world can obtain a mystical baptism in a wide range of different ways, through acts that are selfless acts of love, truth, or other fundamental kinds of goodness. One cannot be certain of a mystical baptism (unless the Lord is hanging on a cross beside you telling you that you will be in paradise this day). So formal Baptism has the advantage of surety.


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