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Old 25th February 2012, 09:07 PM
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Default Pope Benedict on Artificial Procreation

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02...or-conception/

Pope Benedict XVI has called on infertile couples to shun artificial procreation, saying such methods are a form of arrogance.... he called marriage the only permissible place to conceive children....

He said infertile couples should resist resorting to any method to try to conceive other than sex between husband and wife.
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Old 27th February 2012, 05:45 AM
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Default Arrogance, defiance, disobedience, the heart of this...a la Lucifer....

It's all about playing God and refusing to submit to God's Will....
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Default Pontifical Academy members upset with ethics deficit at infertility conference

"A gathering of the Vatican’s own academy for promoting respect for life was met with palpable discontent from its own members and other registrants after presenters on the topic of infertility alluded to in-vitro fertilization (IVF) and other artificial reproduction technologies as “natural” and legitimate for treating patients, despite their conflict with Catholic moral teaching."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/tro...ics-deficit-at

One member said the pope’s remarks were a saving grace for the troubled conference.

“If it weren’t for the pope’s speech, the conference would have been a devastating blow to truth,” the member said.
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Old 1st March 2012, 06:21 PM
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Rejection of the Church's teaching on morality is becoming more common, even in Catholic institutions. The worst problem is those persons who reject Church teaching by offering an "interpretation" which somehow justifies a grave sin as if it were moral.

Examples:
* calling IVF "natural"
* the direct abortion at St. Joseph's Hospital in Phoenix, which the hospital justifed by calling it indirect
* the claim that contraception is moral outside of marriage....
* or within marriage with a non-contraceptive intention
* or within marriage for a medical purpose
etc.

"It is no longer a matter of limited and occasional dissent, but of an overall and systematic calling into question of traditional moral doctrine.... Thus the traditional doctrine regarding the natural law, and the universality and the permanent validity of its precepts, is rejected; certain of the Church's moral teachings are found simply unacceptable.... "

"In particular, note should be taken of the lack of harmony between the traditional response of the Church and certain theological positions, encountered even in Seminaries and in Faculties of Theology, with regard to questions of the greatest importance for the Church and for the life of faith of Christians, as well as for the life of society itself."
Pope John Paul II, Veritatis Splendor, n. 4.
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Old 2nd March 2012, 10:36 AM
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I remember reading a couple of days ago about a couple who objected to the Pope's remarks on IVF, saying that he was 'archaic' and whose opinions were out of date. The objection also alleged that 'most Catholics don't pay him any attention, anyway'.

My question is, why have things not fallen apart much sooner? How long more is this going to go on for before something happens? It would make you weary.
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I remember reading a couple of days ago about a couple who objected to the Pope's remarks on IVF, saying that he was 'archaic' and whose opinions were out of date. The objection also alleged that 'most Catholics don't pay him any attention, anyway'.

My question is, why have things not fallen apart much sooner? How long more is this going to go on for before something happens? It would make you weary.

Exactly, Shane. The participants at that conference on infertility hosted by the Pontifical Academy for Life were so dismayed that they were pounding their fists on the table when the IVF doctors were describing what they do as "natural." Not only that, Dr. Hilgers, a world-renowned doctor who founded the women's health approach known as NaProTechnology, was corrected by a female professor from the Netherlands when he stated that there is a connection between the Pill and breast cancer. She claimed that this is false. In fact, there have been studies that show this, including a meta-analysis by the Mayo Clinic, which he sited. It is outrageous that such a major figure as Dr Hilgers would be treated like dirt by one of the invited speakers.

I don't know how much longer this will go on before the Apostasy begins.

My parents sent me an article in the mail from their local newspaper written by an NFP instructor. In it, she tears down the hierarchy and says that women have been cast as "less than" in the Church while doing all of the ordinary work that needs to be done. She goes on to attack the bishops for waging a war against the Obama administration and compares their concern for religious liberty with that of a person who is a strict vegan and opposes having to fund medication for the clogged arteries of those who eat meat. What a joke! Apparently, she can't see the difference between healing people and killing them. Basically, she uses her status at an NFP instructor to boost her credibility to speak on the issues. It is revolting.

Let the Apostasy begin!

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Here's a little Devil's Advocate: how long has it been since someone told their parishioners exactly what the Church's position is? This present climate is perfect for catechesis on reproductive issues within the Catholic Church. Where are the men of courage?
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Here's a little Devil's Advocate: how long has it been since someone told their parishioners exactly what the Church's position is? This present climate is perfect for catechesis on reproductive issues within the Catholic Church. Where are the men of courage?

We cover the sin of IVF in our NFP class through the Couple to Couple League. I am happy to report that there are five couples currently enrolled in our class. This is definitely a big class in our experience, and they are all there voluntarily. If the parish required it for marriage prep, there would be a whole lot more people, but the atmosphere would be less positive.
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Jeanne,

You make a great point. Without our priests speaking out against these sins the lukewarm parishioners who do not pray or study scripture are falling like dominoes.

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