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Old 22nd October 2007, 10:57 AM
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I was afraid of this. Its maybe time I bought a Catholic bible but I am very fond of this old big bible it has travelled with me through good times and bad and is beautifully illustrated. I bought it of an American Christian mission ship when it was moored here quite some years ago.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 05:39 PM
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Beautiful teachings in this book that can lead us to sainthood.

{4:10} In judging, be merciful to the orphan, like a father, and be merciful to their mother, like a husband.
{4:11} And then you shall be like an obedient son of the Most High, and he will take pity on you more than a mother would.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 05:41 PM
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What I'm reading here is what Jesus-Christ did at perfection except confessing sins, of course, since these teachigs are for us, brothers of Christ.

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Old 22nd October 2007, 06:09 PM
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{6:7} If you would obtain a friend, test him before you accept him, and do not trust him readily.

{6:11} A friend, if he remains steadfast, will be to you as you are to yourself, and he will act with faithfulness among those of your household.
{6:12} If he humbles himself before you and hides himself from your face, you shall have a noble and harmonious friendship.


I think this also applies finding a good spouse. If a person can't find a partner with these characteristics, it's better to remain single, married with the Lord only.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 06:20 PM
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Brother, Please don't jump ahead. We are starting the discussion with the Prologue.

Padraig, Catholic bible translations:

Douai-Rheims Bible (Challoner revision)
Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition
Jerusalem Bible reader's edition
New Jerusalem Bible saints devotional edition
New American Bible
and of course my own translation: CPDV


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Old 22nd October 2007, 06:45 PM
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This is one of my favorite books of the Bible...whenever I am questioning I feel as though I can always turn to it and find my answer...I'm in!
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Old 22nd October 2007, 06:49 PM
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{P:4} For the Hebrew words are deficient when they have been translated into another language.
{P:5} And not only these words, but also the law itself, and the prophets, and the remainder of the books, have no small difference from when they have been spoken in their own language.

What does this mean? Is the author saying something about the differences in language between different versions of Scripture? For example one meaning becomes clearer in the Latin version than the Greek.

It seems to me to be a commentary on the translation of Scripture. The translated version differs from the original in many ways. There are deficiencies, but also, in my view, some benefits. Some levels of meaning become more obscure when translated, but other levels of meaning become clearer in a good translation. It is interesting to see Scripture teaching us about the translation of Scripture.

Notice that the author of Sirach (the grandson of Jesus ben Sirach) used pre-exsting material, translated it, and also added to it. Thus the pre-existing book written by ben Sirach was not inspired Sacred Scripture, but the book of Sirach by his grandson is inspired. The holy writers of Scripture sometimes used pre-existing, non-inspired material, which becomes inspired once it is edited and emended into its first inspired form.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 07:13 PM
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The holy writers of Scripture sometimes used pre-existing, non-inspired material, which becomes inspired once it is edited and emended into its first inspired form.

Interesting. Do you suppose this is why the Protestants and Jews do not include this book in their canon? Or is there another reason they reject this book.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 07:20 PM
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Brother, Please don't jump ahead. We are starting the discussion with the Prologue.

Noted. Sorry for my acceleration.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 08:22 PM
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Yes I was wondering too if their was a reason for dumping Sirach; James talks of good works and Macabees of Purgatory....
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