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Old 19th October 2006, 02:48 AM
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~ The seven Churches represent the universal Church on earth after the Orthodox and Protestant Churches repent (in the late 2010's) and unite with the Catholic Church (in the early 2020's) as one Catholic Church with seven divisions within unity: one part for the Latin Rite, one part for the Eastern Churches (within which there may still be separate sui juris churches), and five parts for the formerly Protestant Churches. These seven are also represented in the Gospels by the seven baskets full of fragments, and by the fives loaves and two fish, at the two miracles of the loaves

Are not the seven churches of Asia Minor, know at that time as proconsular Asia, the capital of Ephesus.

The seven spirits - God' powers (Zechariah 4:10 divine power symbolized by the seven eyes of the Lord. Rev 5-6: seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth; the seven eyes of the Lamb-Christ.
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Old 19th October 2006, 03:52 AM
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You are referring to the literal level of meaning of the text.
I'm referring to the spiritual level of meaning of the text.


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Old 21st October 2006, 03:15 AM
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{4:7} And the first living creature resembled a lion, and the second living creature resembled a calf, and the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature resembled a flying eagle.

The lion is the Gospel of Matthew, because Matthew wrote in Judea, for the Christians of Judea who converted from Judaism, which is represented by a lion, and the lion from the tribe of Judah is Christ, who led them from Judaism to Christianity. The calf is the Gospel of Mark, because Mark wrote in Rome, for the Christians who were Romans; they are represented by a calf because as Romans they used to worship false gods (analogous to the molten calf in Exodus), but now they sacrifice to God according to true worship. The living creature with a face like a man is Gospel of Luke, because Luke was a Gentile convert and who wrote in a Gentile nation for the Gentile converts (such as Theophilus); they are represented by the face of a man because Christ called them from being mere men apart from God to the fullness of humanity revealed only by Christ. The eagle is Gospel of John, because John’s Gospel soared above the earth with its profound and heavenly insights into the Gospel, which are beyond the reach of mere human reason and ability.


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Old 23rd October 2006, 02:49 PM
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Default Revelation Study of Turkey Churches - Benedict's upcoming visit

Pope Benedict is going to Ephesus in just a few weeks. The first correction of Rev 2 is addressed to Ephesus. Over the summer the fire which did not harm the house of Mary. Last winter/spring, Father Andrea Santoro was slain during the post-Cartoon violence outbreak. He had requested the Pope to visit Turkey.

Chapter's 2-4 sure spend alot of time talking about the Churches of present day Turkey.
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Old 23rd October 2006, 04:34 PM
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Does anyone know who the twenty four elders are? I have always wanted to know this. . .



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Old 23rd October 2006, 08:01 PM
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The 24 elders represent the 12 Patriachs of the OT and the 12 Apostles (with Matthias replacing Judas) of the NT.

They also represent the 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 parts into which the Church will be divided prior to the return of Christ.



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Old 24th October 2006, 10:46 PM
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Default Revelation 5

{5:4} And I wept greatly because no one was found worthy to open the book, nor to see it.

Even though the seven seals represent great disasters for the earth, John weeps, because these events are part of the holy plan of God to transform the earth into the kingdom of Christ.

{5:13} And every creature that is in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and all that is within the sea: I heard them all saying: “To the One sitting upon the throne and to the Lamb be blessing, and honor, and glory, and authority, forever and ever.”

Here the sea is a figure of Purgatory.

The Seven Seals are seven sets of events which will occur before the kingdom of Christ is fully established on earth. The seventh seal is divided into seven trumpets, and the seventh trumpet is divided into seven bowls of God's wrath.

The first six seals, and the first six trumpets of the seventh seal will occur from 2009/2010 to 2039/2040. Then there will be a respite from the sufferings during the reign of the great monarch and the angelic shepherd.


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Old 7th January 2007, 06:15 PM
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Hello to all,

I was wondering if someone could identify the seven churches described in chapter 2. I thought that the Ephesus church might represent the Catholics, as it had prominence amongst the other six; also it is the first addressed. Smyrna might represent the Orthodox, the third Pergamus could be the Anglican? the Nicolaites are married priests? Any thoughts?

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Old 8th January 2007, 03:19 AM
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I have never considered a suggestion like yours and will have to give it some thought! By the way, did you see post #17 on this thread by Ron?

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
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Old 9th January 2007, 10:55 AM
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Ron,

Coming back to my suggestion of identifying the seven churches, I see the Ephesus one representing the Catholic church. In the light of your eschatological predictions could the phrase "And so, you have tested those who declare themselves to be Apostles and are not, and you have found them to be liars." refer to those bishops and priests who will turn away when pope Pius XIII will reinforce the authority of our Church? Any thoughts?

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