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Old 7th August 2007, 06:26 PM
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No, that is not God's purpose, but rather His gift.

thanks. I like it in your article when you say, "God is the reason"
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Old 7th August 2007, 09:06 PM
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Ron,

so is man's purpose to be a reflection of God. Or are there any insights we can gain by knowing God's purpose?

Also I read "Time and Eternity" for the fourth time the other night. One of the things I still dont understand is when you say that Heaven is also Timefulness and Placefullness. I just cant grasp it????

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Old 7th August 2007, 09:19 PM
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Ron,

I just re-read Time and Eternity as well, and I am still unclear on something, and maybe it is beyond me to understand. I know that God knows all at once, including what we will decide, or rather what we have already decided to do even though it maybe in our future perspective.

But how does that jibe with this?

Let's say that He makes a soul and has a person born tomorrow, and the person has free will, but God already knows that that person will choose many mortal evils over his life and end up in hell. I don't mean to sound at all as questioning God, but it seems like that person is doomed from the start to be in hell, so why not just not create him in the first place, if God already knows he will go to hell?

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Old 7th August 2007, 09:25 PM
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Ron,

so is man's purpose to be a reflection of God. Or are there any insights we can gain by knowing God's purpose?

Also I read "Time and Eternity" for the fourth time the other night. One of the things I still dont understand is when you say that Heaven is also Timefulness and Placefullness. I just cant grasp it????

Man's purpose is to be happy.
God does not have a purpose, other than His own existence.

Thomas Merton said that Heaven is like no time at all, or like all time put together at once (my paraphrase). Timelessness is not empty, it is full.

Being in Heaven, one can see into every time and place.
And Heaven itself is like a much fuller version of time and place.
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Old 7th August 2007, 09:28 PM
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Let's say that He makes a soul and has a person born tomorrow, and the person has free will, but God already knows that that person will choose many mortal evils over his life and end up in hell. I don't mean to sound at all as questioning God, but it seems like that person is doomed from the start to be in hell, so why not just not create him in the first place, if God already knows he will go to hell?

He is not doomed to Hell. He goes to Hell by his own choice.
God would not truly be loving us if he only created those of us
whom He knew would love Him forever. God creates the man
in your example because that act of creating is good, and because
that man may do some good to others, even though he himself
ends up in Hell, and because his family and children benefit from
his creation, even though he ends up in Hell.


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Old 8th August 2007, 02:58 AM
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.The Father's understanding of himself is the Son.

This is an interesting statement that has wide theological implications.
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Old 27th October 2007, 06:45 AM
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Ron,

I read the Q % A of Trinitarian theology. Is this Catholic?

1. Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit the same being?
A. Some yes. Some no.
2. Does the Father have a God?
A. Some will say yes based upon Heb 1:8, while others will say no.
3. Do the Father and Son worship each other?
A. Yes. The recognition of the Divine Nature in each other prompts worship.

can you Pls. explain a little bit more on this?
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Old 27th October 2007, 11:56 AM
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This is an interesting statement that has wide theological implications.

It is an idea found in Aquinas, in the Summa, but I'm not even sure if he was the first to say this.

Also, it is just an analogy to say that the Father's understanding or knowledge of Himself is the Son, 'what God is' is a broader question which I am attempting to give a limited answer to in my next book.
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Old 27th October 2007, 12:01 PM
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Ron,

I read the Q % A of Trinitarian theology. Is this Catholic?

1. Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit the same being?
A. Some yes. Some no.
2. Does the Father have a God?
A. Some will say yes based upon Heb 1:8, while others will say no.
3. Do the Father and Son worship each other?
A. Yes. The recognition of the Divine Nature in each other prompts worship.

can you Pls. explain a little bit more on this?

These answers are not Catholic, not Christian, and not at all wise or insightful.

It is an article of Faith that the Father, Son, and Spirit are one being, that is, they have one and the same Divine Nature, not three different examples of an identical nature (as is the case with three human beings).

It does not make sense to ask if the Father has a God.
Father-Son-Spirit are the one and only God.

No, the Three Persons of the Trinity do not worship one another, because they have one and the same Divine Nature.
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Old 27th October 2007, 02:59 PM
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Default Common claim made by feminists, religious and otherwise

A big issue showing heretical Catholics involves those, often feminists, who argue that God is female. I have heard of a number of nuns who make these claims, and one who did so while visiting my parish was called a heretic by a parishoner who was later criticized by the pastor for doing so. Tells you where many parishes are going.
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