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Old 23rd September 2008, 07:14 PM
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Default Joseph and Mary's wedding ring

a ring believed to the the wedding ring of Mary and Joseph is kept in the cathedral of Perugia in Italy.

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/tourism/umbria/perugia.asp
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Old 23rd September 2008, 07:19 PM
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Default The Holy Grail

According to Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, the holy grail, that is, the chalice used by Christ at the Last Supper, was this:

of great antiquity (over 2,000 years old at that time) from before the Flood of Noah
made of unknown material
not able to be melted down
bought by Seraphia (St. Veronica) prior to the Last Supper

was in two parts:
a cup (not gold but of an unknown material)
a foot (gold and other materials)

Also included was a plate under the chalice, from which a kind of tablet could be pulled out, and 6 little cups, a small vase within the chalice, a small plate to cover the vase, and a round cover over the chalice, and a spoon which fit within the foot of the chalice.

The Chalice itself:
1. Cup: pear-shaped cup, massive and dark-colored, highly polished, with gold ornaments and 2 small handles,
2. Foot: gold, elaborately worked, ornamented with a serpent and a small bunch of grapes, enriched with precious stones
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Old 23rd September 2008, 10:06 PM
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I wonder will it ever be found again? Or will it remain lost forever?
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Old 23rd September 2008, 10:26 PM
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She says that the ark of the covenant will be found by the two prophets in Revelation (second part of the tribulation) and they will put the Eucharist in it and carry it into Jerusalem. Perhaps they will also find the Chalice, in order to hold the Eucharist within the ark.
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Old 26th August 2010, 09:16 PM
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Ron,

Do you know of any reliable source which specifies St. Joseph's age when he wed Mary?... Does Tradition mentions it?... or is it still not clear?

According to some apocryphal books he was very old man (111 years old when he died), widower and with children when he married Mary. The The Cherry-Tree Carol ballad is based on these apocrypals which mentions: "Joseph was an old man, a very old man was he, when he married Mary in the land of Galilee."

Bl. Catherine Emerich did not think he was married before (but couldn't find about his age on her writings), and Ven. Mary of Agreda says that he was 33 years old when he married the Virgin (which is considerably younger than what the apocryphal books mention).
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Old 26th August 2010, 09:33 PM
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St. Bridget however, seems to describe St. Joseph as an old man:

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When I was at the crib of Bethlehem, I beheld a most beautiful Virgin with a child, in a white mantle and tunic, evidently soon about to be delivered. With her was a most venerable old man, and they had an ox and an ass. When they entered the cave, the old man tied the ox and the ass to the crib

- from the Revelations of St. Bridget booklet, page 25 by TAN books.

St. Bridget's descriptions indicate of a person considerably older than 33 years of age as Ven. Mary of Agreda describes in the "Mystical City of God" (33 years old is relatively young) - unless perhaps Mary of Agreda ment to say that St. Joseph was 33 years "older" than Mary, but this is just speculating trying to make sense of her wrintings, otherwise there is a discrepancy there.

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Old 26th August 2010, 10:47 PM
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Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich says that Joseph was about 30 years older than Mary. Since Mary was betrothed to him at about the age of 14 or 15, he was about 45 years old. She also says that Joseph died shortly before Christ's Ministry began, so he died about the age of 75.

In my study of New Testament Biblical chronology, I found Bl. Emmerich's comments about dates, times, ages, etc. to be more reliable than those of Ven. Mary of Agreda. Emmerich's information corrolates well with historical data.
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Old 27th August 2010, 01:34 PM
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Thank you Ron!

It seems that Ven. Mary of Agreda had a reliable revelation but she may have misunderstood some points.
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