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Old 5th January 2010, 03:55 PM
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Question Automatic excommunication

Greetings Ron,

I learned that in modern and ancient times of the catholic church, especially when witchcraft and occult activities began to grow rapidly,there was something called "automatic excommunication",however this is not the case anymore, because excommuncation today needs special cases and a long process to abide by.

Why automatic excommunication is not applied anymore, and how such a sanction was declared practically?

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Old 5th January 2010, 04:19 PM
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Greetings Ron,

I learned that in modern and ancient times of the catholic church, especially when witchcraft and occult activities began to grow rapidly,there was something called "automatic excommunication",however this is not the case anymore, because excommuncation today needs special cases and a long process to abide by.

Why automatic excommunication is not applied anymore, and how such a sanction was declared practically?

Thank you.

Not true at all.

Canon Law still has several provisions of automatic excommunication for:

apostasy
heresy
schism
invalid attempted ordination of women
physical attacks on the Pope
and other cases

Apostasy, heresy, and schism automatically excommunicate, even apart from Canon Law, by the very nature of the offense. So there has always been automatic excommunication, and there always will be, as long as these sins persist.

The other type of excommunication is juridicial excommunication, and that requires a Bishop or other person with proper authority to judge the particulars of a case, and to issue a sentence of excommunication according to that judgment.
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Old 5th January 2010, 04:41 PM
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Not true at all.

Canon Law still has several provisions of automatic excommunication for:

apostasy
heresy
schism
invalid attempted ordination of women
physical attacks on the Pope
and other cases

Apostasy, heresy, and schism automatically excommunicate, even apart from Canon Law, by the very nature of the offense. So there has always been automatic excommunication, and there always will be, as long as these sins persist.

The other type of excommunication is juridicial excommunication, and that requires a Bishop or other person with proper authority to judge the particulars of a case, and to issue a sentence of excommunication according to that judgment.

Sorry Ron, unfortunately a priest told me this wrong info ...Anyway, does abortion lead to automatic excommunication?

A report says yes ( http://themoderatevoice.com/39895/va...d-in-abortion/ )

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Old 5th January 2010, 05:09 PM
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A person who procures a completed direct abortion, and who knows that the act carries the penalty of excommunication, is automatically excommunicated. A person who procures a completed direct abortion, and does NOT know that the act carries the penalty of excommunication, is NOT automatically excommunicated.

Canon 18: "Laws which establish a penalty, restrict the free exercise of rights, or contain an exception from the law are subject to strict interpretation."

The laws of the Church, given under the temporal authority, especially when they include a strict penalty, are to be interpreted narrowly. If the penalty is strict, the interpretation must be strict.
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[Galatians 1]
{1:6} I wonder that you have been so quickly transferred, from him who called you into the grace of Christ, over to another gospel.
{1:7} For there is no other, except that there are some persons who disturb you and who want to overturn the Gospel of Christ.
{1:8} But if anyone, even we ourselves or an Angel from Heaven, were to preach to you a gospel other than the one that we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
{1:9} Just as we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone has preached a gospel to you, other than that which you have received, let him be anathema.

In other words, let him be excommunicated.
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