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Old 4th October 2010, 07:03 AM
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If there's only one God, why do religions try to drag people away from their religions and convert them to their own?thanks
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Old 4th October 2010, 09:43 AM
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1Where is the biblical city of Nazareth?

And they led Jesus to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong. - Luke 4:29


2Where are the corroborative reports and proof of the Massacre of the Innocents?
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If there's only one God, why do religions try to drag people away from their religions and convert them to their own?thanks

We know God in this life only imperfectly, and so there are disagreements about which ideas are correct on the subject of religion. We are all sinners, and so there are many unnecessary conflicts, even among believers.
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1Where is the biblical city of Nazareth?

And they led Jesus to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong. - Luke 4:29


2Where are the corroborative reports and proof of the Massacre of the Innocents?

The location of Nazareth is known:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...21801&t=h&z=12

The Bible is the infallible Word of God, so no corroborative reports or proof are needed.

Nevertheless, there is corroboration in that Herod the Great is known to have planned an even greater massacre, one that was averted by providence and grace. When Herod realized that he was dying, and all attempts to be healed by physicians from far and wide failed, he decided upon a plan. (This is described in detail by Flavious Josephus.)

He decided to have all of the most important Jewish leaders throughout the nation brought to him. When they arrived, he had them confined to the hippodrome (a type of sports stadium which the Romans used for horse and chariot races). He gave orders to his sister and brother-in-law that upon his death, before they revealed that he had died, they were to order the soldiers to kill every Jewish leader being held by him at the hippodrome. Herod knew that the Jews hated him. In this way, he had hoped to cause a great mourning throughout the land to coincide with his death, a mourning fit for a king.

But Herod's sister and brother-in-law did not carry out his evil plan to kill all the Jewish leaders being held at the hippodrome. They did not make Herod's death known until they had released the Jews from the Hippodrome and sent them to their homes. After the Jewish leaders were safely away, Herod's death was made public.

This even is corroboration in the sense that it proves Herod the Great was willing to massacre the innocent.
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Old 5th October 2010, 01:21 AM
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At the garden of gethsemane, when Jesus was alone, how did the gospel writers know what he said there. He complained that everybody was asleep and yet somehow the gospel writers left a tape recorder. Pls. explain.
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free will is like choosing a room with a door to enter, by opening the door in front of you, and seeing a welcome sign on the same door behind you after entering.

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Old 5th October 2010, 04:34 AM
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Thank you Ron,

this guy is hateful.

Did God of Noah lied?

http://history.cultural-china.com/en/34History7420.html

This link shows that in 1931, a flood in China killed FOUR MILLION people! That is more people than the entire MIddle East at the time of Noah. So, for each of these Chinese who died, God was a liar because God promised not to flood the Earth again.
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Old 5th October 2010, 05:31 AM
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Please take note of my question:

Where is the biblical city of Nazareth?

And they led Jesus to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong. - Luke 4:29

Simply put, that is not the city of Nazareth of today which is located in a valley. As can be seen in the link you gave:

Historic Nazareth was essentially constructed in the valley; the windy hilltops in the vicinity have only been occupied since the construction of Nazareth Illit in 1957.

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The Bible is the infallible Word of God, so no corroborative reports or proof are needed.

Nevertheless, there is corroboration in that Herod the Great is known to have planned an even greater massacre, one that was averted by providence and grace. When Herod realized that he was dying, and all attempts to be healed by physicians from far and wide failed, he decided upon a plan. (This is described in detail by Flavious Josephus.)

He decided to have all of the most important Jewish leaders throughout the nation brought to him. When they arrived, he had them confined to the hippodrome (a type of sports stadium which the Romans used for horse and chariot races). He gave orders to his sister and brother-in-law that upon his death, before they revealed that he had died, they were to order the soldiers to kill every Jewish leader being held by him at the hippodrome. Herod knew that the Jews hated him. In this way, he had hoped to cause a great mourning throughout the land to coincide with his death, a mourning fit for a king.

But Herod's sister and brother-in-law did not carry out his evil plan to kill all the Jewish leaders being held at the hippodrome. They did not make Herod's death known until they had released the Jews from the Hippodrome and sent them to their homes. After the Jewish leaders were safely away, Herod's death was made public.

This even is corroboration in the sense that it proves Herod the Great was willing to massacre the innocent.

Actually, the bible is presented in a quasi-historical narrative. So, yes. Corroboration is necessary. Simply saying that it is the inspired word of god doesn't count as proof or validation of anything. That's tantamount to a bare assertion fallacy (It's true because it's true).

Furthermore, the narrative you presented shows that Herod was willing to kill for an inconsequential whim. But it does not prove the narrative of the Massacre of the Innocents.

One question raised by your post is this: Josephus wrote of virtually every significant event regarding the Jewish race and, in effect, every brutal act of Herod. Why would he omit this?
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At the garden of gethsemane, when Jesus was alone, how did the gospel writers know what he said there. He complained that everybody was asleep and yet somehow the gospel writers left a tape recorder. Pls. explain.

After his Resurrection, and before His Ascension, He taught them for forty days:

[Acts of the Apostles 1]
{1:1} Certainly, O Theophilus, I composed the first discourse about everything that Jesus began to do and to teach,
{1:2} instructing the Apostles, whom he had chosen through the Holy Spirit, even until the day on which he was taken up.
{1:3} He also presented himself alive to them, after his Passion, appearing to them throughout forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God with many elucidations.
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free will is like choosing a room with a door to enter, by opening the door in front of you, and seeing a welcome sign on the same door behind you after entering.

atheist on freewill

I don't know what that means.
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