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Old 5th October 2010, 01:04 PM
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Where is the biblical city of Nazareth?

And they led Jesus to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong. - Luke 4:29

Simply put, that is not the city of Nazareth of today which is located in a valley. As can be seen in the link you gave:

Historic Nazareth was essentially constructed in the valley; the windy hilltops in the vicinity have only been occupied since the construction of Nazareth Illit in 1957.

The ancient cities of Israel were often built on hills, makig the city easier to defend. The ancient and modern cities are in about the same location. However, the modern city today is very much larger than the ancient town.

See this relief map showing the elevation of Nazareth.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...el_topo_en.jpg
The green color is low elevation, and the brown color is higher elevation.

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Actually, the bible is presented in a quasi-historical narrative. So, yes. Corroboration is necessary. Simply saying that it is the inspired word of god doesn't count as proof or validation of anything. That's tantamount to a bare assertion fallacy (It's true because it's true).

Furthermore, the narrative you presented shows that Herod was willing to kill for an inconsequential whim. But it does not prove the narrative of the Massacre of the Innocents.

One question raised by your post is this: Josephus wrote of virtually every significant event regarding the Jewish race and, in effect, every brutal act of Herod. Why would he omit this?

The story of the holy innocents is corroborated by the fact that the early Christians (many of whom were Jews who converted) who read Matthew's account were old enough to have lived through that time. Matthew said that this event was the fulfillment of an OT prophecy. If the story were not true, it would not have been accepted by the faithful, since many of them lived at that time, in that place. No one could tell a story about an horrific event that occurred within the lifetime of his listeners AND say that it was a fulfillment of a prophecy in their religion, IF the story was untrue. The listeners would know better, and they would not accept the story. But this story was accepted the Matthew's audience, and that fact is corroboration.

Josephus was not alive during the time of the holy innocents. Also, he was a Jew who became a Roman historian. The story of the holy innocents implies that Jesus is the Messiah, something that most of the Jews of Josephus' time did not accept. The same story also reflects badly on the Romans, and so would not have been acceptable to Josephus' audience.

Corroboration is different from proof. That Herod was willing to kill many persons on a whim is corroboration.

Faith believes in truths that are not proven, even in truths that are beyond the ability of reason to completely comprehend.
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Old 5th October 2010, 01:06 PM
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Thank you Ron,

this guy is hateful.

Did God of Noah lied?

http://history.cultural-china.com/en/34History7420.html

This link shows that in 1931, a flood in China killed FOUR MILLION people! That is more people than the entire MIddle East at the time of Noah. So, for each of these Chinese who died, God was a liar because God promised not to flood the Earth again.

He did not promise no floods. He promised not to destroy the earth again with a flood, in other words, no flood of similar extent (a worldwide flood) would occur.

myLivingBread, I'm not going to continue to argue with this atheist, and I recommend that you either reply to him from your own faith and reason, or ignore him. There is no reasoning with people like him.
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Old 5th October 2010, 01:41 PM
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Yes Ron and thank you so much, this is the guy who attacks priest and the Blessed Virgin Mary. I only put this questions on this forum because somehow they stop posting after I give them your answer, like that of semi calvinist. evangelicals, eastern orthodox and this last one atheist they are the one who are good in english with this mix language forum. And also my friends(companions) also sending their thanks to you.
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Old 5th October 2010, 01:44 PM
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OK, good. Glad I could help.

I don't mind answering questions and giving replies. But often in this type of discussion, the opponent will continue to argue his point after sufficient answer has been given. So at some point I have to decide not to continue the argument.
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Old 5th October 2010, 04:24 PM
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At the garden of gethsemane, when Jesus was alone, how did the gospel writers know what he said there. He complained that everybody was asleep and yet somehow the gospel writers left a tape recorder. Pls. explain.


I think there are multiple answers to this question that make sense.


1. Since the Scriptures are written through human hands inspired by the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit could have revealed this fact to the the writers of the Gospel directly.

2. After His Resurrection, Jesus remained on earth for forty days to prove he had truly risen from the dead, the subject of his Agony in the Garden could well have come up in conversation.

3. Several times in the Gospels it is mentioned that "His disciples were there along with the women" making the distinction between men's and women's roles. Certainly, Mary the Mother of Jesus was a disciple but not one of the twelve. Maybe she was there at the Garden but she remained awake.
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At the garden of gethsemane, when Jesus was alone, how did the gospel writers know what he said there. He complained that everybody was asleep and yet somehow the gospel writers left a tape recorder. Pls. explain.

By the way, this event also corroborates with the legitimacy of the papacy. I'll post this point tomorrow (God permitting) in the apologetic forum.
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Old 26th October 2010, 02:19 AM
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1. The creation of angels. Were they created before the Creation Week?

2. Anything pre-Creation Week. What did God do at that time?

3. Will angels be saved? Will devils be saved?

4. What is meant by YHWH, Is that the name of God?

5.Will Buddhists, Incas, and other peoples who have heard of YHWH be saved?

6. What exactly does heaven look like fo us (you)?
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Old 26th October 2010, 09:21 AM
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1. The creation of angels. Were they created before the Creation Week?

The Seven Days of Creation are not 7 literal days, but seven periods of time.
See this post on angels:
http://www.catholicplanet.net/forum/...ead.php?t=4422

2. Anything pre-Creation Week. What did God do at that time?

Before Creation began, there was no Time. God exists beyond all Time, eternally.

3. Will angels be saved? Will devils be saved?

The holy angels are already saved; they have the Beatific Vision of God and cannot sin. The devils are already condemned; they cannot now be saved.

4. What is meant by YHWH, Is that the name of God?

I am who am. It means that God is beyond all time, all place, all creation; God is infinitely good existence.

5.Will Buddhists, Incas, and other peoples who have heard of YHWH be saved?

Non-Christians can be saved by a baptism of desire, or of blood, and by perfect contrition if they have fallen into actual mortal sin after their baptism. The baptism of desire and the perfect contrition can be implicit.

6. What exactly does heaven look like fo us (you)?

Heaven consists in direct knowledge of God, full love of God, and complete happiness. It does not matter what it looks like.
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6. What exactly does heaven look like fo us (you)?

Heaven consists in direct knowledge of God, full love of God, and complete happiness. It does not matter what it looks like.

Ron,

what is meant by we are like angels in heaven when we die,

Are angels have gender? like St Paul said there is no marriage in heaven.

how about our memory in our earthly life is it erase? our love ones and enemie will we met them in heaven? what will we do in heaven?

will we see those who are in hell and purgatory?

is there a Rosary in heaven?

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what is meant by we are like angels in heaven when we die,

{22:30} For in the resurrection, they shall neither marry, nor be given in marriage. Instead, they shall be like the Angels of God in heaven.

It means that we don't marry or have sex. The resurrected Just are body and soul, but they are more like the Angels in purity and holiness. Now, on earth, we are more like the lower animals, beause we are fallen.

Are angels have gender? like St Paul said there is no marriage in heaven.

Human persons have gender, always, on earth, in heaven, and after the Resurrection. No marriage does NOT mean no gender. Angels are considered male (per St. Thomas) but they have no bodies, so strictly speaking they have no gender.

how about our memory in our earthly life is it erase? our love ones and enemie will we met them in heaven? what will we do in heaven?

No, our memories are not erased. We will be friends with everyone in heaven; we will be reconciled with any past enemies. The souls in Heaven pray and worship God continually, and they consider and pray for the souls on earth; they love continually.

will we see those who are in hell and purgatory?

The souls in heaven know about the souls in purgatory, and pray for them. They know about the souls in Hell.

is there a Rosary in heaven?

Yes, but in a more perfect form.
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