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Old 29th December 2010, 11:19 PM
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This is from Ron Cathechism 94

94 Thanks to the assistance of the Holy Spirit, the understanding of both the realities and the words of the heritage of faith is able to grow in the life of the Church: - “through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts”; [57] it is in particular “theological research [which] deepens knowledge of revealed truth”. [58] - “from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which [believers] experience”, [59] The sacred Scriptures “grow with the one who reads them.” [60] - “from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth”. [61]

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Now, Jesus said that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church [Matthew 16]. He also said, "I have told you this while I am with you. The Advocate, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you." [John 14:25-26] Divine revelation, i.e., the Deposit of Faith, ended when the last Apostle died. Everything that the Church has taught since then is simply the passing down through the centuries of this Deposit of Faith from Jesus and the Apostles. The Holy Spirit would never allow error to creep in to this teaching, the Deposit of Faith. That does not mean that individuals themselves would not fall into error and become heretics, but the Church itself, the Magisterium, would, could never error. The Church is "the pillar and foundation of the truth." [1 Timothy 3:15] It never says anywhere in the Bible that Scripture is the "pillar and foundation of the truth" because the Church is the "pillar and foundation of the truth." This teaching remains intact, even if some of it is not in Scripture. All Sacred Tradition of the Church, not in Scripture, has come down to us from the first century, from Jesus and the Apostles. No teachings have been added or patched in, ever. So when dogmas are formalized, such as the Immaculate Conception in 1854, that does not mean that this teaching did not exist until then. It existed from the first century. Our understanding of various teachings has grown and deepened through the centuries. This is sometimes called "The Development of Christian Doctrine." Development of doctrine is defined as the increase in understanding -- by means of the teaching of the Holy Spirit, prayer, theological study, and the reflection of the Body of Christ as a whole -- of Christian doctrines which originated from the Lord Jesus Himself and which have been passed down through the Apostles, Fathers, Councils, and the Catholic Church in general. [Catechism of the Catholic Church, #94]

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Old 30th December 2010, 01:10 AM
Ron Conte Ron Conte is offline
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That website has over-simplified and distorted explanations of Catholic teaching. For example:

The site claims: "Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different."

But Dei Verbum says that Tradition is the deed wrought by God in the history of salvation. The truths taught by these deeds can certainly be passed on orally, but are also passed on in other ways, such as by the wordless example of the holy martyrs, and by the spiritual life of the Church.

If Tradition were an oral infallible set of preachings, then it could be written down, and then we would have two Bibles. If there is such an infallible verbal tradition, who can quote from it? No one. Neither is each bishop or any bishop given this oral tradition when he is ordained.

Instead, Tradition is without words; it is the Way of Life of Christ, which can be described in words, but is also beyond words. And this Way is transmitted primarily by the lives of all the faithful, in so far as they live the Way.

There are many such Catholic websites; the authors seem to mean well, and some of the things they say are doctrinally correct. But much of what they say is distorted by being over-simplified. Also, they cite few if any sources to support their claims.
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