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Old 1st April 2011, 11:48 AM
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Default Msgr. Charles Pope on sin and homosexuality

Turning Back the Tide: One Pastor’s Attempt to Assert the Biblical Teaching on Homosexuality In an Age of Confusion

"In yesterday’s Blog post, we discussed that there are significant numbers of Catholics who do not hold the Catholic faith regarding the question of homosexual activity, and so-called gay “marriage.” Some of this may be due to willful rejection of the teaching, but much is likely due to confusion brought on by a loud culture and a quiet pulpit. I want to share with you a letter I wrote to my congregation a couple of years ago to try and make clear the Catholic and Biblical teaching on homosexuality."
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Old 1st April 2011, 02:27 PM
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Turning Back the Tide: One Pastor’s Attempt to Assert the Biblical Teaching on Homosexuality In an Age of Confusion

"In yesterday’s Blog post, we discussed that there are significant numbers of Catholics who do not hold the Catholic faith regarding the question of homosexual activity, and so-called gay “marriage.” Some of this may be due to willful rejection of the teaching, but much is likely due to confusion brought on by a loud culture and a quiet pulpit. I want to share with you a letter I wrote to my congregation a couple of years ago to try and make clear the Catholic and Biblical teaching on homosexuality."

This sermon deserves everyone's reading.
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Old 1st April 2011, 03:25 PM
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Very insightful letter.
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Old 1st April 2011, 03:28 PM
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Well said and argued...
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Old 3rd April 2011, 12:30 PM
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My latest post on Catholic teaching on homosexuality:
http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2011/0...homas-aquinas/
focuses on St. Thomas' teaching, as drawn from and related to Scripture.

traditional moral theology has always called the sin of homosexual acts 'the unnatural vice'. This term is based on Scripture, which uses the term natural and unnatural regarding different sexual acts.

[Romans]
{1:26} Because of this, God handed them over to shameful passions. For example, their females have exchanged the natural use of the body for a use which is against nature.
{1:27} And similarly, the males also, abandoning the natural use of females, have burned in their desires for one another: males doing with males what is disgraceful, and receiving within themselves the recompense that necessarily results from their error.
{1:28} And since they did not prove to have God by knowledge, God handed them over to a morally depraved way of thinking, so that they might do those things which are not fitting:

The term is also based on the concept of natural law. We perceive the will of God for us, we perceive the moral law, by the goodness in human nature and in the relationships among human persons, and between human persons and God. That which is unnatural is contrary to the moral law, since the natural law is merely a promulgation of the eternal moral law in the things of Creation.
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Old 3rd April 2011, 11:38 PM
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In a sense, is not much of sin the depiction of what is unnatural and deviant as being natural and acceptable? Another trait of this society is that it depicts what is right and acceptable as somehow wrong, intolerant, radical, controversial, deviant and/or "hate filled"? Hence anyone who criticizes the homosexual lifestyle is depicted as being an intolerant homophobe spewing hate speech....
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Old 4th April 2011, 12:10 AM
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Yes, I agree. The moral law is expressed in natural law, so anything contrary is immoral.
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Old 4th April 2011, 04:49 AM
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The more I read the threads in this forum regarding the 2 greatest sins of our age: abortion and homosexualilty, the more Abraham's plea with God over a possible percentage of good people remaining in the town come to mind. Who could plea for us today when God's justice looms ever closer? We have repeatedly rejected collectively God's Mercy in His Saints witness and messages. What else can be done and by whom if we are too busy or misinformed to even consider taking remedial action? It seems that suffering is the only remaining option to purify us all from our collective indifference....
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Old 4th April 2011, 03:18 PM
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We are so far past the line that even a most merciful and loving God finds it necessary to express that mercy and love by letting us have it between the eyes.....were we God we would have lowered the boom a long time ago on this ungrateful, stubborn, selfish, and most twisted society.
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It is an infallible dogma of the Church that Holy Matrimony was instituted by God, not by man :

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...matrimony was not instituted or restored by man but by God; not by man were the laws made to strengthen and confirm and elevate it but by God, the Author of nature, and by Christ Our Lord by Whom nature was redeemed, and hence these laws cannot be subject to any human decrees or to any contrary pact even of the spouses themselves. This is the doctrine of Holy Scripture;[2] this is the constant tradition of the Universal Church; this the solemn definition of the sacred Council of Trent, which declares and establishes from the words of Holy Writ itself that God is the Author of the perpetual stability of the marriage bond, its unity and its firmness.[3]
-- Encyclical Casti Connubii by Pope Pius XI

Therefore, even within a valid Sacrament of Marriage, the spouses are not free to do whatever they please, like doing some unnatural (sexual or non-sexual) acts, etc.; otherwise they'll be committing sacrilege.
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