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Old 25th August 2011, 06:11 PM
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I recently bought the Catechism of St. Pius X:

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperbac...ius-x/13228406

which was written as part of this great Pope's desire to instruct the faithful against the tides of modernism. The book is not too long (about 150 or so pages) and deals with the ten commandments, the creed, sin and virtues. It follows a question and answer format and like the Catechism of the Catholic Church, is very concise.

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Old 25th August 2011, 08:58 PM
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I don't recommend the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/catechsm/piusxcat.htm

The many teachings of the Magisterium since that time are not included in that Catechism.

The answers are overly concise, which might cause some persons to misunderstand the meaning.

Many answers are also overly simplistic in theology, and in the presentation of doctrine.

"It was used in the ecclesiastical province of Rome and for some years in other parts of Italy. It was not, however, prescribed for use throughout the universal church."

The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X includes, and does not distinguish between, doctrine and discipline and advice.

The development of doctrine has caused some of its teachings to be superceded by later teachings, which more fully explain a doctrine, or which clarify certain points.

There are some outright errors in the Catechism, for example:

31 Q. Are we obliged to believe all the truths the Church teaches us?
A. Yes, we are obliged to believe all the truths the Church teaches us, and Jesus Christ declares that he who does not believe is already condemned.

This answer does not distinguish between infallible and non-infallible teachings, nor does it allow for the norms of licit theological dissent. Non-infallible teachings can err. The Church does not treat all teachings as if they were infallible dogmas.

32 Q. Are we also obliged to do all that the Church commands?
A. Yes, we are obliged to do all that the Church commands, for Jesus Christ has said to the Pastors of the Church: "He who hears you, hears Me, and he who despises you, despises Me."

Just as there is licit dissent from non-infallible teachings, there is also licit disobedience to rules and rulings. The Church does not treat all decisions of the temporal authority as if they were dogmas, or as if all who disagree or disobey thereby despise Christ.

33 Q. Can the Church err in what she proposes for our belief?
A. No, the Church cannot err in what she proposes for our belief, since according to the promise of Jesus Christ she is unfailingly assisted by the Holy Ghost.

This answer is incorrect. Non-infallible teachings can contain error. Not all teachings are infallible. For example, the teachings of the Pope are only infallible when they meet the conditions for infallibility taught by Vatican I and Vatican II.

34 Q. Is the Catholic Church infallible, then?
A. Yes, the Catholic Church is infallible, and hence those who reject her definitions lose the faith and become heretics.

Again, this is an error. The Church has two types of authority: the teaching authority (the Magisterium), whose non-infallible teachings allow for the possibility of error, and the temporal authority, whose rules and rulings are generally fallible (except for dogmatic facts).
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Old 26th August 2011, 10:04 AM
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Thanks Ron for the heads up.
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Old 30th December 2011, 08:08 PM
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Ron, do you recommend the Baltimore Catechism? Does it differ at all in teachings from the newest CCC?

Thank you,
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Old 30th December 2011, 08:46 PM
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Ron, do you recommend the Baltimore Catechism? Does it differ at all in teachings from the newest CCC?

Thank you,
Laura

The problem with those older Catechisms is that they do not take into account all of the magisterial teachings since that time. The understanding of the Church on earth concerning the truths of Tradition and Scripture improves over time. Also, Catechisms (Pius X, Baltimore, the CCC) typically include not only infallible unchanging teachings, but also non-infallible teachings (which can change to some extent) and some theological opinion. They might also contain some material that is discipline, not doctrine.

Even the CCC had to be updated with a second edition, to improve the wording and also correct some errors. The older the Catechism, the more changes that would be needed to update it to current Church teaching.

The Baltimore Catechism is very limited in scope compared to the CCC. I will occasionally quote or cite an older Catechism in a theological argument. But the CCC is very much more useful on almost any topic of theology.
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Old 21st September 2012, 04:52 AM
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Ron,

At one point in this book, St. Pius X writes the following:

14 Q. Did anything remarkable happen at the death of Jesus Christ?

A. Yes, at the death of Jesus Christ, the sun was darkened the earth trembled, graves opened and many of the dead arose.

I don't recall having seen this anywhere else. Does the Church teach this at all? If so, from which sources?

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Old 21st September 2012, 11:44 AM
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[Matthew]
{27:45} Now from the sixth hour, there was darkness over the entire earth, even until the ninth hour.
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{27:50} Then Jesus, crying out again with a loud voice, gave up his life.
{27:51} And behold, the veil of the temple was torn into two parts, from top to bottom. And the earth was shaken, and the rocks were split apart.
{27:52} And the tombs were opened. And many bodies of the saints, which had been sleeping, arose.
{27:53} And going out from the tombs, after his resurrection, they went into the holy city, and they appeared to many.
{27:54} Now the centurion and those who were with him, guarding Jesus, having seen the earthquake and the things that were done, were very fearful, saying: “Truly, this was the Son of God.”
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