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Old 14th December 2013, 10:06 PM
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Can you give examples of Sacred Tradition which is not a teaching? Would Apostolic succession be an example? Or canonization of Saints?

Also, in Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Council states:

"For the liturgy is made up of immutable elements divinely instituted, and of elements subject to change. These not only may but ought to be changed with the passage of time if they have suffered from the intrusion of anything out of harmony with the inner nature of the liturgy or have become unsuited to it."

What are the immutable elements of the liturgy? Does that just refer to general practices, like Communion and prayer?
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Old 14th December 2013, 10:21 PM
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Can you give examples of Sacred Tradition which is not a teaching? Would Apostolic succession be an example? Or canonization of Saints?

Also, in Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Council states:

"For the liturgy is made up of immutable elements divinely instituted, and of elements subject to change. These not only may but ought to be changed with the passage of time if they have suffered from the intrusion of anything out of harmony with the inner nature of the liturgy or have become unsuited to it."

What are the immutable elements of the liturgy? Does that just refer to general practices, like Communion and prayer?

The immutable elements are not practices or disciplines, for example: the Eucharist and the conditions needed for its validity; the Word of God; the worship of God; that the Mass contain prayer, thanksgiving, reception of Communion, etc. It is a teaching that we should pray, give thanks to God, etc.

The mutable elements are of discipline; these are the points of liturgical form that are often a matter of dispute among the faithful, for example, which prayers to say and when, the wording of different prayers, the language to be used, the dress and actions of the priest, etc.

Sacred Tradition is the deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation; it includes the deed whereby Christ died for our salvation on the Cross. These deeds are not per se teachings, but Tradition teaches us about these deeds.

That Apostolic succession exists and that Saints exist and should be recognized is of Tradition and Scripture; so those are teachings. Apostolic succession itself could be considered a deed wrought by God, so that would be Tradition but not a teaching.

Which persons are Saints and which persons are validly-ordained Bishops depends on a prudential judgment, so it falls under the temporal authority.
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