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Old 30th November 2014, 08:31 PM
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a book or booklet with a title such as:
"Do we pay for our father's sins" might be of great help.

Scripture appears to contradict itself on this topic, but obviously that is not possible, so I and others must interpret some part of it incorrectly.

e.g.
Appearing to assert generational links:
Ex.20:5-6
Ex.34:7
Deut:27;28;29;30;

appearing to refute generational links:
Ezk.18:1-32
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Old 30th November 2014, 09:51 PM
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That's more of an article-length topic.
I'll see if I can write something on that soon.
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I'm working on a booklet titled "Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium" that will cover the title topic as well as the issue of the transition from the Old to the New Covenant.
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I'm working on a booklet titled "Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium" that will cover the title topic as well as the issue of the transition from the Old to the New Covenant.

Nice! This is a very good topic! Many Catholics don't know regarding Tradition, and even less what the Magisterium is, at best they know that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.
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Will the booklet cover what is an Encyclical, Apostolic Exhortation, Apostolic Letters, among other documents from the Pope, the difference between them (why they are called differently) and if all of them should have the same weight by the faithful? - Also, they weight of homilies, personal opinions and addresses by the Pope. I think you have covered most of these in your blog posts, but wonder if this will be included in your booklet?
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Will the booklet cover what is an Encyclical, Apostolic Exhortation, Apostolic Letters, among other documents from the Pope, the difference between them (why they are called differently) and if all of them should have the same weight by the faithful? - Also, they weight of homilies, personal opinions and addresses by the Pope. I think you have covered most of these in your blog posts, but wonder if this will be included in your booklet?

There is no difference in weight for the various categories of papal documents. What matters is whether the Pope is speaking as an act of the Magisterium, and whether it is infallible or non-infallible.

Infallible: papal infallibility, conciliar infallibility, universal magisterium
Non-infallible: all other acts of the magisterium by Popes, Councils, Bishops
Fallible: all personal opinions, remarks to the press, and private works of theology
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Thank you Ron.
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Ron

a book or booklet with a title such as:
"Do we pay for our father's sins" might be of great help.

Scripture appears to contradict itself on this topic, but obviously that is not possible, so I and others must interpret some part of it incorrectly.

e.g.
Appearing to assert generational links:
Ex.20:5-6
Ex.34:7
Deut:27;28;29;30;

appearing to refute generational links:
Ezk.18:1-32

See my latest post:
Do we pay for our fatherís sins?
http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2014/1...-fathers-sins/
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See my latest post:
Do we pay for our fatherís sins?
http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2014/1...-fathers-sins/

Ron

It will be a few hours yet before I get time to read it, but, in advance, may I thank you for the sincere and substantial effort you devote to all your public writings.

It is an invaluable source of guidance for myself and others.
I keep you and yours in prayer and encourage other readers to do likewise.

God bless.
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See my latest post:
Do we pay for our fatherís sins?
http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2014/1...-fathers-sins/

Ron,
let me try to just tease this out a little further:

Extract from your reply in link above:
"{20:5} You shall not adore them, nor shall you worship them. I am the Lord your God: strong, zealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the sons to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
{20:6} and showing mercy to thousands of those who love me and keep my precepts.

The expression ďvisiting the iniquity of the fathers on the sonsĒ is not literal. It means that the sins of one generation cause harm in society and the family, which adversely affects subsequent generations. We all live in a sinful fallen world. The more we sin, the more suffering there will be both now and in future generations. This does not imply that the next generation bears any type of guilt or curse. It is simply the truth that oneís sins cause harm to others, and this harm continues for generations. Sin does great harm to the world."

Ex.20:5 seems to assert that the consequences from this sinfulness only will apply to the generations succeeding the particular sinner and not to society at large or maybe much less so, to society at large.

Ex.20:6 could appear to be saying that succeeding family members who choose a better path and love the Lord will be spared the consequences.

Also note, in both cases above, that by consequences I only refer to maybe sickness, hardship or extra temptations, not any inherited sin, which I accept is not possible.
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