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Old 18th February 2015, 03:56 PM
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My new booklet on Intrinsic Evil is now available
https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2015/...ntrinsic-evil/
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Old 18th February 2015, 04:36 PM
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Thanks Ron for the necessary booklet.

I have a list of acts that can be considered intrinsically evil (including but not limited to):

Not trusting God (disobedience to God - defiance); judging things that we are not witness of, or aware of (calumny, perjury and the like); murder, theft, lie, blasphemy, arrogance (self-exaltation), fornication, adultery, unnatural sexual acts, lust, suicide.

Are any of the aforementioned acts not, per se, intrinsically evil?

Now, what about to humiliate or denigrate somebody else or self?

A person can humiliate himself with a good intention?

Can a person humiliate somebody else, even a guilty person? or this case would be intrinsically evil?

Is denigration different than humiliation? or, in other words, is denigration intrinsically evil but humiliation is not intrinsically evil?

(Meaning that a person can humiliate himself, but not denigrate himself)?
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I don't think calumny and perjury are correctly described as "judging things that we are not witness of, or aware of (calumny, perjury and the like)". Calumny and perjury are intrinsically evil.

Arrogance (self-exaltation) is always immoral, regardless of intention or circumstances, so it is intrinsically evil. However, to be a sin, an act must be knowingly and deliberately chosen. A mere tendency toward self-exaltation would not be a sin, but a disorder (ontic evil, also called physical evil).

Similarly, "not trusting God" might be an unconscious tendency, not a sin. However, knowing deliberate disobedience to God is intrinsically evil and objectively a sin.

On humiliation and denigration, it depends how you define those terms. You can't take a secular dictionary definition and then label the act intrinsically evil. You need a theological definition of the act. Jesus humbled himself to become incarnate and to die on the cross. In some sense, that would be humiliation or denigration.

Hatred toward any human person is intrinsically evil; and it is entirely incompatible with the love of God and neighbor, making it a mortal sin.
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Old 18th February 2015, 05:14 PM
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Thanks for the explanation and correction Ron.

Yes, calumny and perjury are intrinsically evil acts that would be different than "judging things that we are not witness of, or aware of", the latter would be such as "judging the soul of a person", making it an intrinsically evil act too, basing it on Matthew 7:1-5.
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Thanks for the explanation and correction Ron.

Yes, calumny and perjury are intrinsically evil acts that would be different than "judging things that we are not witness of, or aware of", the latter would be such as "judging the soul of a person", making it an intrinsically evil act too, basing it on Matthew 7:1-5.

I don't think "judging the soul of a person" is intrinsically evil. For example, when Mother Teresa of Calcutta was alive, many judged her to be a holy Saint. Same for Pope John Paul II. And when someone is particularly evil and their deeds are publicly known with surety, as in the case of bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, I think there is no sin in stating that such persons are not in a state of grace.

Most often, we cannot know the soul of a person, and so the counsel not to judge is fitting. When judging is a sin, it is sinful based on intention and circumstances. Not every sin is intrinsically evil.
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I don't think "judging the soul of a person" is intrinsically evil. For example, when Mother Teresa of Calcutta was alive, many judged her to be a holy Saint. Same for Pope John Paul II. And when someone is particularly evil and their deeds are publicly known with surety, as in the case of bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, I think there is no sin in stating that such persons are not in a state of grace.

Most often, we cannot know the soul of a person, and so the counsel not to judge is fitting. When judging is a sin, it is sinful based on intention and circumstances. Not every sin is intrinsically evil.

Yes, it makes sense. Judging (reaching to a conclusion about) the soul of a person is not intrinsically evil, so the morality of this depends on the intention and/or the circumstances which includes the availability of information regarding the subject matter.
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