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Old 7th August 2017, 02:53 PM
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Even from the beginning of Sacred Scripture, we can start to understand that God is more than one Person:

The following is taken from a Hebrew online Bible:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineI...brew_Index.htm

Genesis 1:26
"And God said, Let us make man in our image"


Notice the singularity of a God (one God), but the plurality of Persons.

It does not say: "And the gods said, ...." or "And God said, let's make man in my image". But in "our" image.


Genesis 3:22
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us"


Again, the singularity of one God, but the plurality of more than one Person in that one God.

It des not say: "And the lords, the gods said..." or " ....Behold, man is become as me". But "as one of Us".

Genesis 11:7
“Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language...”

Isaiah 6:8
“Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? ...”


It is clear that when God speaks to Himself is in plural sense, so in the One and only God, there is more than one Person because God is not a “Thing” but Someone in whom imagine and likeness we humans persons have been created. Therefore, God is a community of Persons.
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How do we know that there are three (3) Persons in the One God (could be just two or more than three)? The Trinity of the one God was also foreshadowed by God's appearance (or manifestation) to Abraham through three Angels impersonating Him as three male persons (Genesis 18:1...).

Notice that Abraham calls the three men “Lord” not “Lords”:

{18:2} And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him three men, standing near him. When he had seen them, he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and he reverenced them on the ground.
{18:3} And he said: “If I, O lord, have found grace in your eyes, do not pass by your servant.

Three Persons, One Lord.

Also, notice that, in this conversation, some times these three figures seem to talk to Abraham as one.

Genesis
{18:5} ...And they said, “Do as you have spoken.”

It does not say: " and one of them said". But "They said" (all three).

{18:9} And when they had eaten, they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?”

During these specific moments, the three talked as if they were one person. Some may even wonder if they had the likelihood to speak at the same time, but one thing is for sure, the will of each was the same, for it was God speaking through them (They were not literally God, but Angels in the appearance of men who God used to speak through, for "No one ever saw God; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He himself has described Him (John 1:18 ). Likewise, when Jacob "fought with God", it was through an Angel (Genesis 32:24-30)).
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In the New Testament, the Trinity begins to be clearer. At the incarnation of Jesus, we read the following:

[Luke]
{1:34} Then Mary said to the Angel, “How shall this be done, since I do not know man?”
{1:35} And in response, the Angel said to her: “The Holy Spirit will pass over you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. And because of this also, the Holy One who will be born of you shall be called the Son of God.

By the power of the Holy Spirit, Mary becomes pregnant of the Son of God.

Angels cannot literally make conceive a woman, only God; therefore, the Holy Spirit is God. The Child in Mary's womb is the Son of God. Jesus is the Father's only begotten Son (we are also called son's of God by adoption); but Jesus is the only begotten Son, with the same nature of the Father who is God. A baby of a dog, has a nature of a dog. A cat has the same nature of its parents, cats. We humans have the same nature as our parents, who are also humans. Since Jesus is God the Father's only begotten Son, Jesus is also God, but again, as explained above, not another god, He is the Second Person of the one true God.

To “beget” is not the same as to “create”. We humans beget other humans but we alone do not create other humans (Matt 5:36), we can create other things such as paintings, books, cars, etc., but those things are not humans. God does not create other gods, with His same Nature, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, etc., but He does creates other things. Every created thing is not God (save for the human nature of Jesus who also has a Divine, uncreated nature in the one Second Person of the Holy Trinity - the hypostatic union). The Son is begotten eternally (for God IS Eternity), but not created, He is consubstantial with the Father.

[John]
{1:14} And the Word became flesh, and he lived among us, and we saw his glory, glory like that of an only-begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

What about the Third Person of the Holy Trinity, the Holy Spirit?

[Acts]
{5:3} But Peter said: “Ananias, why has Satan tempted your heart, so that you would lie to the Holy Spirit and be deceitful about the price of the land?
{5:4} Did it not belong to you while you retained it? And having sold it, was it not in your power? Why have you set this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God!

Here we see that the Holy Spirit is God.
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At the baptism of Jesus we see that the Father speaks "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

{3:16} And Jesus, having been baptized, ascended from the water immediately, and behold, the heavens were opened to him. And he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on him.
{3:17} And behold, there was a voice from heaven, saying: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

If Jesus were not God, as He Himself said "before Abraham was made, I am" (John 8:58 ), "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30), of if He was just a liar, the Father wouldn't say such thing. Furthermore, at the transfiguration, the Father not only said that He is well pleased in Jesus, but for us to "listen to Him".

[Matthew]
“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased. Listen to him.”

The Spirit of God cannot be an Angel because Angels are limited and cannot dwell in all persons at the same time, only God.

[1 Corinthians]
{3:16} Do you not know that you are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God lives within you?
{3:17} But if anyone violates the Temple of God, God will destroy him. For the Temple of God is holy, and you are that Temple.

We also read:

[1 Corinthians]
{6:19} Or do you not know that your bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
{6:20} For you have been bought at a great price. Glorify and carry God in your body.

Therefore, the Holy Spirit is God.

[John]
{14:26} But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will suggest to you everything whatsoever that I have said to you.

Only God can teach persons all around the world at the same time for He is not a limited creature bound in time and space. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is God.

[Mathew]
{28:19} Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus also taught us to be baptized in the *Name* (not "names") of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and we can become God's children by adoption in God's Name only. The three Persons share one Name.
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People need to be baptized in no other's Name but God's in order to attain salvation, thus the Trinity is God.

More about the Holy Spirit being God:

[John]
{3:5} Jesus responded: “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one has been reborn by water and the Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

{3:8} The Spirit inspires where he wills. And you hear his voice, but you do not know where he comes from, or where he is going. So it is with all who are born of the Spirit.”

We also read:

[1 John]
{5:4} For all that is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world: our faith.

Therefore, the Holy Spirit is God.

Now close this parenthesis.

God does not permit great miracles to be performed by false prophets as we saw in the story of Moses with the sorcerers of Pharaoh. In another particular case, prophet Elijah challenged false prophets to put an ox sacrifice on the wood, but not place fire under it. Elijah would do the same, but, in order to start burning their respective sacrifice, Elijah will need to call upon God, and the false prophets would have to call upon their gods. The challenge consisted that the sacrifice which is burned miraculously is done by the real God (1 King 18:23...). Once the false prophets started calling upon their gods and nothing was happening, Elijah even started teasing them: "Cry out with a louder voice. For he is a god, and perhaps he is talking, or at an inn, or on a journey, or certainly he may be asleep, and must be awakened. (1 Kings 18:27). Nothing happened with the false prophets, but when it was Elijah's turn, before calling upon God, he poured water over his holocaust three times, which implies one time for each Person of the Holy Trinity.

{18:34} And he said, “Fill four containers with water, and pour it over the holocaust, and over the wood.” And again, he said, “Do this a second time.” And when they had done it a second time, he said, “Do it also a third time.” And they did so a third time.
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And then, of course:

{18:38} Then the fire of the Lord fell down and devoured the holocaust, and the wood, and the stones, and even the dust, and it absorbed the water that was in the trench.
{18:39} And when all the people had seen it, they fell upon their face, and they said: “The Lord himself is God! The Lord himself is God!”

Therefore, if Jesus was a fraud, or a liar, God wouldn't have allowed Him to perform great miracles, one of them, the resurrection of Lazarus on the fourth day. The Pharisees who have read Scriptures sinned before God by wanting to kill Jesus, even though He was able to perform miracles of that magnitude, that only God can do, no false prophets.
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[1 John]
{5:7} For there are Three who give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these Three are One.


So now that we understand that God is a Trinity, let's go to the following inimitable miracle that Jesus performed which is even greater than Lazarus' resurrection. Christ's own resurrection.

Jesus clearly died on the Cross, one of the Roman soldiers even pierced Jesus' heart with a lance to make sure He was dead (John 19:34). He was then buried. On the third day, that is on the third calendar day or "according to the Scriptures", He rose from death just as He has foretold (Luke 18:33). I say "calendar" days because Jesus body did not remain in the tomb for three complete 24 hour days, He died about 3:00PM on "Preparation Day of the Passover" which is the day before the Sabbath (Mark 15:42), (John 19:14) and rose early morning after Sabbath which is the "First Day" (Mark 16:1-2). In other words, He was in His tomb part of the day He died, the entire next day, and a short part of the third day (Catechism of Trent "The Third Day").

Unlike Lazarus' resurrection, He did not resurrected "someone else", but He resurrected Himself for He is God. His Body that remained on the tomb for three calendar days did not suffer corruption, again, for He is God. And He resurrected with a Glorified Body never to experience death again. He defeated death.
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Two things could have happened if He did not resurrected as He foretold, 1) His body was taken and hidden by His friends or 2) His enemies took His body.

Reason why His body was not taken by His friends:
It's clear that His tomb was guarded precisely because His enemies wanted to prevent any scam from happening (Matthew 27:62-66). So those guards were witnesses of what happened, but they were told to deny it with a silly story "His disciples stole the Body while we were sleeping". They were in charge to guard the night, and yet, just early in the night, "they were already sleeping". Also, if they were sleeping, how did they see that He was stolen? (Matthew 28:11-15). By the time Mary Magdalene arrived at the tomb very early on the First Day, she herself was very surprised and thought that the Lord's body was taken (John 20:2), (John 20:13).

Now Scriptures says that when the Apostle John entered the tomb, "he saw and believed" (John 20:8 ). He was young but not naïve, he must have seen something extraordinary there so that he did not have any doubt that our Lord resurrected. I believe that it was because what Peter and John saw was Jesus' linen cloths with His image imprinted there, which is what we now call it the Shroud of Turin. For more info on the Shroud, see this post:
http://www.catholicplanet.net/forum/...5113#post45113

So even Jesus' friends first reaction was of surprise. They did not take the Body. It would have taken more than the 11 Apostles to first, fight the armed Roman guards, then move the big heavy stone and then take time to remove His Body from the linen clothes, take the Body and leave the linen clothes in there. That would have taken hours for them to do, if they could succeed. But as explained above, very early in the morning, by the time Mary Magdalene arrived while was still dark (John 20:1), the stone was already moved, His Body gone and only the cloths lying in there. Furthermore, none of the guards received any harm. Also, all the Apostles and many Christians were persecuted for our Christian Faith, that Christ has resurrected. All the Apostle witnesses of His resurrection, except St. John, were martyred. They wouldn't have accepted martyrdom, being killed, for a scam that they had portrayed. They would have been the foolest persons of them all, and the "scam" would somehow be catch sometime later. On the contrary, they were hidden fearing being killed (John 20:19). Also, if we read the letters written by St. Peter, by St. John, by St. Jude in the New Testament, there we read wisdom in their teachings, so there is any foolishness in them. Notice that the Apostles could easily be catch, they were taken to prison, etc., yet not catch that they have taken Jesus' body? It is because they did not have it.

Moreover, many, not few, but many were also witnesses that Jesus had resurrected (1 Corinthians 15:3-10).
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Jesus indeed appeared to many during 40 days after His resurrection in glorified body and soul, it was not a "ghost" for He also ate with them (John 21:12). Then the miracle of His Ascension in body and soul into Heaven was witnessed by His Apostles.

His enemies did not take His Body:

If Jesus' enemies would have taken His body, the following event would have been a great opportunity for them to expose the body of Jesus and debunk Christianity:

When Peter and John were approaching the Temple, at the gate, there was a man over his 40's who was lame from his mother's womb who was placed there by other people so that he can request alms to everyone. After Peter performed the inimitable miracle of bringing him back to normal physical sate of life in the Name of Jesus Christ, a multitude of people ran toward them after witnessing such great miracle. This would have been a great opportunity for the enemies of Christ, if they had taken Jesus' body, to show the body to the crowd and testify that it is a scam, that it is a lie, and all would have ended there. But they didn't (Acts 3). Instead, they just took them under guard (Acts 4:1-3). So, it is clear that the enemies of Christ did not have His body either.

The body of Jesus has not been found to this day, instead, the witnesses of His resurrection were many and were increasing in number by the testimony and wonders that His disciples were doing in His name. This is a testament that Jesus has indeed risen from the dead, that He is God and that He is Alive today and forever with a glorified body which cannot die again. The miracle that Peter performed on the lame man was made in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 4:10-21). Peter and John's testimony was so true, that even the elders recognized that Jesus must have resurrected (Acts 4: 13). The miracle of a lame man from his mother's womb (who was over his 40's by the time the miracle occurred (Acts 4:22)) is so powerful that only God can do it, the elders couldn't contradict what Peter and John were saying (Acts 4:14) (Acts 4:16).

The miracles that Jesus performed is to prove that He is indeed God, that He is not a charlatan, for our Faith is reasonable, so that we can trust in Him and His message of love.

The wonders continued through the Apostles (Acts 5:12) despite persecutions, false accusations and hardships, and they continue to this day through His Church. Jesus is risen. Jesus is Lord, He is Kyrios.
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The fourth-century historian Eusebius made the following observation regarding the historicity of Jesus and the fact that His life, death and resurrection could have not possibly been a hoax:

"... what a wonder is that such a number [of supposed eyewitnesses] were able to keep to their agreement about their fabrication, even in the face of death, and that no coward among them ever retired from the association and made a premature repudiation of the things agreed upon; nor did they ever announce anything in contradiction to the others, bringing to light what has been put together among themselves".

Also, last but not least, another reason of why Jesus is who He said He is, God, it is because His life has already been prophesied hundred of years before by different prophets and His life have also been foreshadowed by different persons.

Jesus being born in Bethlehem:

[Micah]
{5:2} And you, Bethlehem Ephrata, are a little one among the thousands of Judah. From you will go forth he who shall be the ruler in Israel, and his landing place has been set from the beginning, from the days of eternity.

This little town of Bethlehem was prophesied so many centuries before as the birthplace of the Savior. Bethlehem means "House of Bread" and we know who the "Bread of Life" is (John 6:23 ff).
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